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#1 cju711

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Posted 12 July 2015 - 02:59 PM

so i absolutely hate lvling in bios so i'm considering alternatives. scarabas is pretty good exp+money, but a pit of a pain with the traveling+ endowing. so i decided to try nightmare CT but it takes me 3 arrow storm to kill a mob there with my +9 AS elven bow so i'm wondering if a pecopeco egg card will make a huge difference. it doesnt seem like it would (10% dmg increase from AS card vs 20% increase to formless from pecopeco egg card) but then again, i don't know the dmg formula. i know that racial shields are superior (though idk why) than their general dmg modifier counterparts, but is the same true for racial weapons?


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Posted 12 July 2015 - 03:09 PM

chun li kick isn't working anymore?

 

Anyways, archer skel card augments your final damage by +10% if the type of attack is ranged.

PecoPeco Egg (and similar cards) increase weapon attack by 20%.

 

!!WARNING!! They are very different !

 

If your weapon has 150 attack, for example, a 20% increase is +30 ATK.

However with skel archer: if your status attack (from DEX) is 100 and your weapon attack is 150, your damage will be more like +35 ATK, because status atack is doubled in damage calculations, and archer skel affects the whole damage, not just thwe weapon.


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#3 cju711

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Posted 12 July 2015 - 04:03 PM

ah....so pecopeco egg card wont help much for CT then....damn. thanks for the quick reply


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Posted 12 July 2015 - 04:08 PM

If you're a few K short on 1 shotting something, what you need is more range +% gear or more +ATK gear; example would be a +9 evil marching hat. Or the range damage affecting shadow set. Or an autumn hairband if you don't already have it (if you do, more upgrades then). Same with the white wing armor (more upgrades, each is +2% ranged) and you can get some nice ATK/range enchants on mora gears.

 

If you are a lot more than a few K short, have you considered making a friend? Priests help a lot  in dungeons :) Lex Aeterna !!


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Posted 12 July 2015 - 04:15 PM

You can try using Takoyaki for +20 atk and/or Siroma Ice Tea (+20 dex) for more damage. Or camo after attacking, then wait a few seconds as Camo will, as you know, increase up to 300 atk* according to irowiki.

 

 

* is this accurate? lol

 

 

p.s. but yes, creating a friend or friends will be better :3


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Posted 12 July 2015 - 04:30 PM

Camou does add a lot of attack if you can use it; against say, scaraba you'll have a hard time with that though (insects)


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Posted 12 July 2015 - 06:21 PM

Oh, camou.I miss 2012.


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Posted 12 July 2015 - 07:27 PM

I have a full +9 ww set, except for my boots which are +0. i also have +9 AHB with dolo card in it. i didnt know refines added ranged attack on ww set....i thought that was only on the suit?

 

good idea about bringing a priest friend. i just hate to split exp lol.


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Posted 12 July 2015 - 07:49 PM

I only said the armor. The garment, shoes, and accessory don't add ranged damage. +12 it and the bow and you get 6% more ranged and 15% more arrow storm, so there is that.


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Posted 12 July 2015 - 08:39 PM

the thought of trying to +12 anything makes me  :p_sick:   so expensive....RMT here i come lol jk. not i'm not. yes i am! nope. yep.  :eyes:   :ok:


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Posted 13 July 2015 - 12:24 PM

if you are going to +12 a bow, go get a +12bxb +2 AS cards should take care of most issues. A +12bxb only 1b to 1.2b these days.


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Posted 02 August 2015 - 09:18 PM

Hi, may I hijack the thread please? :)

 

I got a +12 BxB (Dex1, EA1) - would u card it AK or AS? xD

planning to use it to mvp, but if the damage difference isn't significant, im guessing AS will be better,

because most of my gears are EA / ATK% enhanced on my hybrid ranger.

 

To be clearer:

+9 Autumn HB

+12 WWS (6% for +12?, EA5 +10%)

+9 WWM (Atk +8%)

+9 WWB (Sp/agi/agi)

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Would it be more beneficial if I went for 2 AS cards in my BxB(EA1/Dex1)?

 


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Posted 02 August 2015 - 09:25 PM

Hi, may I hijack the thread please? :)

 

I got a +12 BxB (Dex1, EA1) - would u card it AK or AS? xD

planning to use it to mvp, but if the damage difference isn't significant, im guessing AS will be better,

because most of my gears are EA / ATK% enhanced on my hybrid ranger.

 

To be clearer:

+9 Autumn HB

+12 WWS (6% for +12?, EA5 +10%)

+9 WWM (Atk +8%)

+9 WWB (Sp/agi/agi)

Sound Amp

WWbrooch (Sp/Agi)

 

Would it be more beneficial if I went for 2 AS cards in my BxB(EA1/Dex1)?

 

Just so you know +12 WWS is 24% Ranged damage.

 

To attempt to answer your question, I would like to think 2x AK cards would be of more benefit damage wise for an MVP, but for some MVPs having that additional ranged damage to deal with their mobs can also be good, since some mvps will pause to re-summon pack, which gives you precious recovery time if the MVP is not 1-shot.


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Posted 02 August 2015 - 09:59 PM

so what you're saying, correct me if I'm wrong is AS generally is a better choice?

i'm torn because I don't know how significant the difference will be between 2 AK and 2 AS :D

 

parden my noobness, u meant +12 WWS is 24% ranged damage excluding the EA5 enchant?

per 1 refine = 2%?

 

Just so you know +12 WWS is 24% Ranged damage.

 

To attempt to answer your question, I would like to think 2x AK cards would be of more benefit damage wise for an MVP, but for some MVPs having that additional ranged damage to deal with their mobs can also be good, since some mvps will pause to re-summon pack, which gives you precious recovery time if the MVP is not 1-shot.

 


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Posted 02 August 2015 - 10:09 PM

so what you're saying, correct me if I'm wrong is AS generally is a better choice?

i'm torn because I don't know how significant the difference will be between 2 AK and 2 AS :D

 

parden my noobness, u meant +12 WWS is 24% ranged damage excluding the EA5 enchant?

per 1 refine = 2%?

 

Yes, as it is 2x the refine level.


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Posted 03 August 2015 - 08:44 AM

oh btw, has anyone been crazy enough to put two BM cards into a +12BxB? lol

6% ranged dmg, +2 aspd, +1 more from BxB if u have 120agi.

 

or does the +14 BM Elven still do more dmg when with converter?


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Posted 03 August 2015 - 09:27 AM

oh btw, has anyone been crazy enough to put two BM cards into a +12BxB? lol

6% ranged dmg, +2 aspd, +1 more from BxB if u have 120agi.

 

or does the +14 BM Elven still do more dmg when with converter?

 

BM cards only give 2 aspd at +14


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Posted 03 August 2015 - 09:43 AM

well it's 2 x BM cards in a +12 BxB, so +1 aspd +1 aspd lol.

 


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Posted 03 August 2015 - 03:28 PM

oh btw, has anyone been crazy enough to put two BM cards into a +12BxB?


Dont think so, but I do recall seeing someone selling a +14 2x BM creeper bow with aspd enchant. Lol +5 aspd right there.
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Posted 03 August 2015 - 03:33 PM

Dont think so, but I do recall seeing someone selling a +14 2x BM creeper bow with aspd enchant. Lol +5 aspd right there.


That bow sounds amazing for WoE.
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Posted 03 August 2015 - 03:53 PM

Having the most aspd bonus you can get from weapon makes you able to wear gears that gives you more reduction or damage or resistance without worrying about reaching max aspd.
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Posted 03 August 2015 - 04:15 PM

Having the most aspd bonus you can get from weapon makes you able to wear gears that gives you more reduction or damage or resistance without worrying about reaching max aspd.

 

For WoE maybe..., but for PvM I would argue.

 

There are better cards for a weapon over ASPD, when most other gears can get some form of ASPD support.

 

Sure you could get a total of +7 ASPD from a well enchanted BxB +14 with 2x BM. But then what?

 

You could swap out shoes? but there is no real CRIT buff there unless you go for WW Boots, but then you miss out on Temporal enchants like Lucky Day.

 

You could get a Max CRIT FAW? But that is only 10 CRIT. You also get CRIT damage increase but what is the point if CRIT is low?

 

You could get CRIT accessories? But what is the point when 2x Bako tats not only give you 20% ASPD, BUT 14% Damage increase.

 

Armours? Sure you could get anywhere from 5 ~ 27 CRIT from a WWS or even 16+ CRIT from a Sniping Suit and then enjoy the additional MDEF it provides and the reduction in delay between skills, but then this was always an option regardless of bow enchants.

 

ASPD is a little overated when you can achieve 193 ASPD very easily these days. Sure, stacking ASPD is good for debuff skills but look. I use 2x Bako Tats, Temp Agi Boots AD4, FULL ASPD FAW, Rudras1ASPD and a Physical Set which provides some boost, but I get around 194~198 ASPD Unbuff (capped at 193, but enough to not need IC, FE or worry about debuffs).

 

Fact is ASPD is more disposable with the amount of non weapon based gears that provide it.

 

Use Weapon slots/enchants for CRIT or damage over ASPD, but that is my opinion, the one item that doesn't full under this is an Elven Bow, since it has 50% more damage if using elvens.


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Posted 03 August 2015 - 04:23 PM

For some reason none of those enchants of gears you listed even cross my mind. It's too much focusing on crit. Let's see:


With that much aspd from weapon you would be able to wear a Deviling faw with ea enchants, temp luk/Dex boots, which can add more dps and reduction depends on where you would hunt. I'm pretty sure there would be a lot more other combinations. Sorry I'm just too lazy to list it

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Posted 03 August 2015 - 04:24 PM

True, I keep forgetting this is an AS thread, I think it kind of went off track for me when someone mentioned the viability of using BM cards in a BxB, mind kinda just drifted to Warg at that point.

 

But if it is in relation to ASPD/WARG etc, then next to ASPD*, having CRIT is the next best thing, probably on par with LUK.


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Posted 03 August 2015 - 04:42 PM

It doesn't hurt to add more damage to your gear combination. My own preference is usually stats for enchants. Like getting luk enchants for faw instead of crit for example.
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