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[StephenCarl]

 

isn't it frustrating when you experience it during an instance?    and you can't even return / re-spawn to that same location.. 

[Nirvanna21]

Yep, it is annoying!

[fuyukikun]

yes yes yes

[Necrohealiac]

honestly i'm not sure what's so abusable about re-entering OGH anyway, any alts you bring along will have needed to be present for the boss kills in order to redeem the coag/crystals from npc.

[Nirvanna21]

honestly i'm not sure what's so abusable about re-entering OGH anyway, any alts you bring along will have needed to be present for the boss kills in order to redeem the coag/crystals from npc.

 

Not just present, not just within screen view of an MVP, but also must alive.

[DeadIntern]

Agreed..

[StephenCarl]

internet connection here in the philippines is as slow as ever.. that's why having instance dungeons returnable is a big relief for us.. ISPs here are so unreliable when it comes to a smooth connection.. they only care about is the bills we pay not the service they give... so please please please make this happen... 

[Necrohealiac]

well Oda said on the tiki tues stream that he doesn't want to make OGH re-enterable because of abuse possibility. i have no idea how it can be abused but whatever; you guys can ask him again next week i suppose.

OGH != ET

[Nirvanna21]

well Oda said on the tiki tues stream that he doesn't want to make OGH re-enterable because of abuse possibility. i have no idea how it can be abused but whatever; you guys can ask him again next week i suppose.

OGH != ET

 

OGH is definately not abusable.

 

At the same time, I like the constraints that make you not want to die, but DC is a pain, it is a shame you couldn't verify what the cause is.

[mikayel]

There's a lot of NPC scripting in OGH, it's possible you could do something like farm a bunch of coag spells from retriggering events?

I have already noticed that with everything going normally, you can re-trigger certain events over and over (like respawning undead commanders.)

[Nirvanna21]

There's a lot of NPC scripting in OGH, it's possible you could do something like farm a bunch of coag spells from retriggering events?

I have already noticed that with everything going normally, you can re-trigger certain events over and over (like respawning undead commanders.)

 

Commanders sure, but there are only 2 events that give coags from the main event and 7 from the treasure room.

 

I can't see any of these being abusable.

[mikayel]

I know nothing about the programming of the game, but then ET turned out to be abuseable as did certain NPCs like the Quest one. 

 

Basically, I see no reason to doubt the GM when they say "we can't cuz it'll be abuseable". 

 

The other factor could be that perhaps you can respawn MVPs via some glitch and farm OCA/XP/stuff off them? I know if root is respawnable that you can basically just kill him over and over for easy xp. I mean, heck, people managed to glitch into the rogue job change quest to farm abysmal knights at some point. I don't doubt things are... doable. 

[Necrohealiac]

OGH is definately not abusable.
 
At the same time, I like the constraints that make you not want to die, but DC is a pain, it is a shame you couldn't verify what the cause is.

i wasn't around for the live stream verify it; feel free to chase him next time.

[Nirvanna21]

i wasn't around for the live stream verify it; feel free to chase him next time.

 

I was, he believes it his abusable so maybe they know something we don't?

[6773131031232342973]

yes
 

Spoiler

with 10 reset stones

[StephenCarl]

By returnable, i mean continuing where i last left off before i got disconnected.. so if for example im on the amdarais part, then i should be able to get past thos 1st map without killing root of corruption again.. i think its not abusable if it goes like that

[hotel]

well ET didn't seem to be abusable either but people still found a way to do it. here's hoping OGH doesn't go down the same track if they change it to let you back in

[Necrohealiac]

I know nothing about the programming of the game, but then ET turned out to be abuseable as did certain NPCs like the Quest one. 
 
Basically, I see no reason to doubt the GM when they say "we can't cuz it'll be abuseable". 
 
The other factor could be that perhaps you can respawn MVPs via some glitch and farm OCA/XP/stuff off them? I know if root is respawnable that you can basically just kill him over and over for easy xp. I mean, heck, people managed to glitch into the rogue job change quest to farm abysmal knights at some point. I don't doubt things are... doable.

as far as farming coags is concerned, the best way to do so is to just gum after you kill amdarais and farm the constantly respawning arclouze piles to your heart's content. farming the far more difficult monster packs in the 2nd part and the commanders is nowhere near as efficient, unless you want that (pretty crappy) card set for whatever reason. I mean if you guys consider that abuse then it's already possible regardless of re-entry.

basically the only thing that might be abusable about this instance is the mvps. if the mvps could be respawned then that's a big issue obviously. however it's not like the instance closes to new party members at any point so I don't see how they can be respawned since the npcs change after the fight is over. new people can enter the instance whenever; they won't be able to collect the coag and crystal from the npc unless they were alive and present for the mvp kill.

just trying to advocate for a better gaming experience for others; I've never d/c'd in OGH and don't connect from overseas so whether a change is made or not wouldn't affect me either way.

[mikayel]

As I said, I don't know how it works on their end -- my guess is we aren't being lied to when they say 'it is abuseable.'

 

While fixes and updates are often late, the iRO/warpportal team isn't exactly stingy with giving the players 'what they want' considering how often xp-giving or refine-giving events are held at user requests. 

 

 

[Necrohealiac]

I think you're giving them a bit too much credit as far as understanding instance and other gameplay mechanics are concerned.