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[ShadowKnights]

Hi everyone

 

What do you like for new class ?

 

1- Samurai

 

2- Summoner

 

3- Sword Master

 

4- Shaman

 

5-  Other else (post your class )

 

 

 

 

Best regards

[Joatmon]

Well ROs current classes already fulfill most fantasies you'd look for on an MMO. Plus kRO wouldn't go for a new class when they can't even give us second and third jobs for expanded classes in a timely manner.

But if there was to be a new class you'd have to look for a fantasy not already fulfilled with the current classes. Not to mention if you want it to be a main class you have to find TWO fantasies not already fulfilled.

We already have several summoned fantasies, beast master, swordsman, and lots of things. We got healers and Sorcs are basically shamans and all that -_-.

The one thing we're missing is a class fulfilling the fantasies of necromantic types of -_-. Like shadow, undead, and ghost property skills. Warlocks can do some limited ghost skills but they're much more focused on elements.

I'd like to see such a class that works on countering support classes in WoE and doing loads of status damage and DoT in PvM realms.

[onlyinca]

If u compared to ro2, they lack musicians and but have a shape shifting animal class that fights like bear

[ShadowKnights]

Well ROs current classes already fulfill most fantasies you'd look for on an MMO. Plus kRO wouldn't go for a new class when they can't even give us second and third jobs for expanded classes in a timely manner.

But if there was to be a new class you'd have to look for a fantasy not already fulfilled with the current classes. Not to mention if you want it to be a main class you have to find TWO fantasies not already fulfilled.

We already have several summoned fantasies, beast master, swordsman, and lots of things. We got healers and Sorcs are basically shamans and all that .

The one thing we're missing is a class fulfilling the fantasies of necromantic types of . Like shadow, undead, and ghost property skills. Warlocks can do some limited ghost skills but they're much more focused on elements.

I'd like to see such a class that works on countering support classes in WoE and doing loads of status damage and DoT in PvM realms.

 

Can you tell me who is like Samurai in the ragnarok ?
 

Edited by ShadowKnights, 21 July 2015 - 10:14 PM.

[Joatmon]

Ninjas and Swordsman.

[KriticalAssassin]

Ninjas and Swordsman.

 

assassins kinda too, dual wield swords (kagerou and oboro can dual wield too)
 

[Catastrophe07]

While it is nice to see new classes here they should balance/fix first those forgotten classes (Super novice, K/O, TK classes). It's kinda sad to have new classes without touching these poor classes lol.

Edited by Catastrophe07, 22 July 2015 - 05:34 AM.

[Joatmon]

While it is nice to see new classes here they should balance/fix first those forgotten classes (Super novice, K/O, TK classes). It's kinda sad to have new classes without touching these poor classes lol.

Expanded classes are intended as a novelty thing to kRO and are purposely made weak.

[ShadowKnights]

I have questions  

 

1- Then what is class you want add in ro ?

 

2- what is class you think not yet in ro ?

 

3- Do you think ro will make new class in future ?

 

4- Do you think ro will make class 4-1 and 4-2 in future ?

 

Best regards

[mikayel]

Purely out of fun, I had brainstormed a few ideas for varying classes. Tho there are aspects of them already present ingame. For example, I thought of a barbarian or berserker style class but aspects that would define that class are already taken up by knight (frenzy, tank), assassin (dual wield), and crusader (martyr's reckoning style self harm to do more damage).

 

Likewise, I thought of a type of 'gish' (warrior mage hybrid) and that's already covered in stuff like shadow chaser (auto shadow spell) and sage (hindsight, spell fist), and later knight (enchant blade, aura blade, etc.) 

 

Overall, the "jobs" are already taken, so the class would have to be novel... and in terms of novelty, the expanded classes are quite fitting.

 

Still, as a fun thought experiment, what would you imagine to be the primary role of something like a Samurai, ShadowKnights?

Typically, samurai style classes are used as a crowd control melee warrior so I'd imagine a lot of aoe debuff, taunt, counter, etc. abilities. Kind of like a mix of what RG does but more offensively and a bit of stuff like deathbound from RK. 

[ShadowKnights]

I have questions

 

1- Then what is class you want add in ro ?

 

2- what is class you think not yet in ro ?

 

3- Do you think ro will make new class in future ?

 

4- Do you think ro will make class 4-1 and 4-2 in future ?

 

Best regards

 

No anyone will answer for  questions
 

[DestinyTalim]

About the 4-1/4-2 classes, I don't think they ever implement them but the idea is cool, such as Royal Guard going to Templar or Rune Knight turning into Dragon Knight.  Archbishop could go Archangel, Sura can stay Sura, etc.

[CarlosWolf]

Unlike what some people said, not all archetypes are fulfilled. We don't actually have a summoner(the closest we have is the alchemist with his homunculi), we don't have a specialized debuffer(we should have a harm spell, as well as the opposite of the acolyte buffs), we don't have an arcane archer, there is no one to craft armors, accessories and bows(we could well do with an artisan third path for merchant), we don't have a swordmaster either(there should be ki-using with the sword, phisical enhancement, and so on). We could also have a third path for thief which manipulated shadows to attack, increase defense and/or flee for him or his allies, and who had the ability to use some sort of shadowmeld to "teleport", similar to the ninja's shadow leap skill, but keeping hidden and not attacking with it. The point is: you could well have new roleplays(pointy of an RPG) and gameplays with a new path to each of the 6 basic classes(2-3 and 3-3). For instance, the AA could get a passive skill that adds MATK(10% per lvl, up to 100%), and from that learn elemental attack buffs(maybe 5 levels,going from 100% to 120% damage with that element), and then special attacks that act differently depending on the buff(blasts and such with the element of the buff). The summoner could be a necromeancer or dark priest, and he could summon allied undeads, cause harm(which would heal undead) and debuff enemies. There should be a sort of "primal mage", which would learn spells that are resisted by DEF instead of MDEF(he would manipulate the world itself, like cave-ins, landslides, aluminum dust and dust explosions). There could be a trickster or shadowmancer for the thief, and have shadow spikes, shadow cloak and shadow armor, as well as mobility skills. The swordmaster, or weapon master, or whatever, would have only one attack skill(kinda like an energy slash for long range pulling), and a whole lot of self buffs. And the artisan would be centered on the crafting of items(of course), and at most have cart attack skills and maybe a golem. I hope you guys like these ideas, since I don't like the way whichever path you choose as an archer, you drift away from the bow at the start, and only much later come back to it.

 

Besides, if onbe class has factors from many classes, but not all of each, it's already valid. We don't have a dual wielder that isn't of a stealthy kind, or a big weapon(sword or axe, for example) user with class skills focused on speed.

Edited by CarlosWolf, 23 December 2015 - 10:43 AM.

[Nirvanna21]

Unlike what some people said, not all archetypes are fulfilled. We don't actually have a summoner(the closest we have is the alchemist with his homunculi), we don't have a specialized debuffer(we should have a harm spell, as well as the opposite of the acolyte buffs), we don't have an arcane archer, there is no one to craft armors, accessories and bows(we could well do with an artisan third path for merchant), we don't have a swordmaster either(there should be ki-using with the sword, phisical enhancement, and so on). We could also have a third path for thief which manipulated shadows to attack, increase defense and/or flee for him or his allies, and who had the ability to use some sort of shadowmeld to "teleport", similar to the ninja's shadow leap skill, but keeping hidden and not attacking with it. The point is: you could well have new roleplays(pointy of an RPG) and gameplays with a new path to each of the 6 basic classes(2-3 and 3-3). For instance, the AA could get a passive skill that adds MATK(10% per lvl, up to 100%), and from that learn elemental attack buffs(maybe 5 levels,going from 100% to 120% damage with that element), and then special attacks that act differently depending on the buff(blasts and such with the element of the buff). The summoner could be a necromeancer or dark priest, and he could summon allied undeads, cause harm(which would heal undead) and debuff enemies. There should be a sort of "primal mage", which would learn spells that are resisted by DEF instead of MDEF(he would manipulate the world itself, like cave-ins, landslides, aluminum dust and dust explosions). There could be a trickster or shadowmancer for the thief, and have shadow spikes, shadow cloak and shadow armor, as well as mobility skills. The swordmaster, or weapon master, or whatever, would have only one attack skill(kinda like an energy slash for long range pulling), and a whole lot of self buffs. And the artisan would be centered on the crafting of items(of course), and at most have cart attack skills and maybe a golem. I hope you guys like these ideas, since I don't like the way whichever path you choose as an archer, you drift away from the bow at the start, and only much later come back to it.

 

Can't Sorcerers summon as well?

[ZeroTigress]

Why have a summoner class when anyone can use branches?

Also yes, Sorcerer is RO's rendition of a summoner class.

[BookishBrenda]

They introduced a summoner job class recently. Except...it's not really a summoner at all.

[CarlosWolf]

Well, I had thought the Sorcerer skills were buffs to that element, not actual summons, so I was mistaken in that regard, but we still have no necromancer, and I think every MATK is resisted through MDEF, I think at least some sort of mage-hunter would be nice, with "mana burn", "mana steal" and other things specific against mages, maybe even flee from certain spells, at higher levels. And as far as I know, branches summon enemies, not allies. I was thinking more along the lines of a puppet master.

 

And it seems to me that summoning is not the focus, or even one of the focuses of the sorcerer...

Edited by CarlosWolf, 23 December 2015 - 10:53 AM.

[BookishBrenda]

I think at least some sort of mage-hunter would be nice, with "mana burn", "mana steal" and other things specific against mages, maybe even flee from certain spells, at higher levels.

 

Umm... You mean... Like a sage?

[Yugiohfan]

We have soul burn, and metallic sound for mana burn. For mana stealing we have soul exhale, maelstrom and magic rod(sort of). Kaite and a few cards lets you reflect any single target magic you receive. We have land protector+maelstrom to cancel ground targeting spells. Sage class was, at-least to me, the anti-magic class and was turned into an aoe support.

 

Also summons do have other uses other than endowing pw with elements, its just rarely used because its inefficient to put them in atk mode and hope that they (tera and agni) use their aoe spells to cover a 3x3 cell area. Casting elemental action to force them to use their offensive skill is no better since your better off casting any other spell instead of it for damage.

[ROCKheir]

Unlike what some people said, not all archetypes are fulfilled. We don't actually have a summoner(the closest we have is the alchemist with his homunculi), we don't have a specialized debuffer(we should have a harm spell, as well as the opposite of the acolyte buffs), we don't have an arcane archer, there is no one to craft armors, accessories and bows(we could well do with an artisan third path for merchant), we don't have a swordmaster either(there should be ki-using with the sword, phisical enhancement, and so on). We could also have a third path for thief which manipulated shadows to attack, increase defense and/or flee for him or his allies, and who had the ability to use some sort of shadowmeld to "teleport", similar to the ninja's shadow leap skill, but keeping hidden and not attacking with it. The point is: you could well have new roleplays(pointy of an RPG) and gameplays with a new path to each of the 6 basic classes(2-3 and 3-3). For instance, the AA could get a passive skill that adds MATK(10% per lvl, up to 100%), and from that learn elemental attack buffs(maybe 5 levels,going from 100% to 120% damage with that element), and then special attacks that act differently depending on the buff(blasts and such with the element of the buff). The summoner could be a necromeancer or dark priest, and he could summon allied undeads, cause harm(which would heal undead) and debuff enemies. There should be a sort of "primal mage", which would learn spells that are resisted by DEF instead of MDEF(he would manipulate the world itself, like cave-ins, landslides, aluminum dust and dust explosions). There could be a trickster or shadowmancer for the thief, and have shadow spikes, shadow cloak and shadow armor, as well as mobility skills. The swordmaster, or weapon master, or whatever, would have only one attack skill(kinda like an energy slash for long range pulling), and a whole lot of self buffs. And the artisan would be centered on the crafting of items(of course), and at most have cart attack skills and maybe a golem. I hope you guys like these ideas, since I don't like the way whichever path you choose as an archer, you drift away from the bow at the start, and only much later come back to it.

Besides, if onbe class has factors from many classes, but not all of each, it's already valid. We don't have a dual wielder that isn't of a stealthy kind, or a big weapon(sword or axe, for example) user with class skills focused on speed.

Tell u what, most (not all) of the stuff u mentioned here r either already existing or not really necessary. For the necromancer thingy, I already made a suggestion for that as a skill branch for the suggested next class for soul linker. For refererence to that suggestion found in the Classes Section, lemme quote my post here:

Spoiler

Now to throw in my inklings, if the TK classes won't have any rebirth classes, then to make it fair, the 3rd class TKM and SL should be lv160/60 max if not 175/70 vs. 175/60 of other classes (Kagero/Oboro and Outlaw included should their level caps be raised to 175). Do note that TKs' max job lv is only jlv50 whereas Ninjas and Gunslingers' is jlv60. Transcendent 2nd classes max job level is also jlv60. So....

As for the 3rd class TKM skills:

"Trance" - Max lv3. Active. Transfigures the caster into an otherworldly being. Stats and movement speed are raised to 4%/8%12% for 3 minutes. Drains 1% of hp and sp per second. TK kicks can be used without activating the corresponding stances while skill is active. 5 minute cooldown.

"Quasar" - Max lv5. Offensive. Matk based skill. Creates an 9x9 active AoE that pulls nearby enemies within the AoE slowing down movement speed and attack speed, damaging them every 2 seconds. Damage is increased based on the number of enemies pulled within the AoE.

For the 3rd class SL, I say Shaman. Yep, I'm aware the latter is already existent in a spinoff but this one ought to be different in its features. Apperance-wise, methink Korean Emperor/Empress-ish outfit would be perfect. As for the skills:

"Meditation" - Passive. Max lv10. Reduces sp consumption of supportive skills and increases duration of buffs. Boosts Summoned Spirit's stats.

"Astral Projection" - Supportive. Max lv5. Shaman goes into a Play Dead-like status and spawns a spirit (biolab sprite) version of the caster. Astral Projection status changes the caster's property (armor) to ghost and enables the caster to pass through obstacles and see hidden characters. The camouflage-invisibility granted by the skill doesn't work on ghost, demon, and mvp (yes it should work on insect) but doesn't get cancelled even when hit, only when depleted of hp/sp. Attacking and using skills and items are disabled in this state. Only the Summoned Spirit can attack or use skills. Drains 2% sp per second at max level. When cancelled, the spirit is instantly brought back to its physical body.

"Possession" - Max lv10. Debuff. Possesses a target. When successful, the target falls under Chaos status with halved stats and caster steals a random skill. The target cannot use the stolen skill while the caster can use the stolen skill for the duration of Possession. Caster is rendered immobile while skill is active. Higher skill level increases success rate of Possession and increases the skill's duration. Magnus Exorcismus cancels the status and damages both caster(100% dmg) and possessed(50% dmg) with the first hit of the skill.

"Kindred Soul" - Max lv10. Active. Summons a Neutral Spirit with a set of skills and stats. Warm Wind changes the Spirit's element as well as its appearance, stats and skills accordingly. Consumes summoning catalysts when cast and fails otherwise. Higher skill level grants the Spirit better stats and access to more skills. <--Thinking the Es and Ka skills limitations should remain as is so this active skill shall serve as Shaman's main offense since the Spirit's Offensive skills are not limited to PVM. Summoned Spirit's Supportive skills however can only be cast on the Caster and the Summoned Spirit.

"Necromancy" - Max lv10. Passive. Reduces damage taken from undead monsters and increases atk and hp pool of summoned undead. When mastered, gives a chance of spawning a random undead to the Shaman's side each time an enemy is killed by the Shaman.

"Lich's Creed" - Max lv5. Debuff. Zombifies a target and enemies near the target. Higher skill level raises success rate and debuff duration. Targets buffed with Kaahi gets damaged instead of healed when receiving physical attacks and targets buffed with Kaizel don't get resurrected upon death while under Lich's Creed effect.

"Lich's Realm" - Max lv10. Active. Summons a horde of random Undead non-MVP monsters to follow and fight for the caster. Higher skill level means more mobs and gives higher chance of summoning stronger undead monsters. Summoned undead don't disappear until depleted of their hp. <-- Skill points allocation/Skill Tree should make it impossible to master both Necromancy and Kindred Soul.

"Holocaust" - Max lv5. Offensive. Calls the dead of the land to immobilize enemies within 9x9 AoE and damaging them over time.

"Dark Redemption" - Max lv5. Supportive. Resurrects fallen allies screenwide. Resurrected allies are under Zombie status for 3 minutess.

"Divination" - Max lv5. Passive. Increases Flee and Perfect Dodge and the chance of activating tumbling by 2%/4%/6%/8%/10%.

"Mass Hysteria" - Max lv3. Supportive. Soul Links every party member with spirits that correspond to their respective classes.

"Shaman's Talisman" - Max lv3. Supportive. Casts party-Kaite.

"Shaman's Guidance" - Max lv3. Supportive. Cast party-Kaupe.

"Shaman's Boon" - Max lv3. Supportive. Casts party-Kaahi.

"Afterlife" - Max lv3. Supportive. Casts party Kaizel.

The suggestion for SL skills is still incomplete as to the buffs as I couldn't find the time to get back to it atm.^^

Edited by ROCKheir, 23 December 2015 - 04:50 PM.

[CarlosWolf]

Guys, as for unnecessary, ninja wasn't really necessary, since we had assassin, and gunslinger likewise because of the archer. But they got skills with different approaches to stealth and ranged, and ninja synthetized magic and stealth(both already in game, but in separate classes) in the same class. Having already present things isn't bad in itself, only not adding new stuff or combinations along.

 

I brainstormed a little, to try to start some thought into possible 2-3, high 2-3 and 3-3 classes, although there is much to add before it's even worth suggesting for real. Some things are not present(and I'm not sure if they would be possible, but I never thought an NPC follower would be possible, and then came homunculi and mercenaries).

 

Merchant->Artisan:

Artisan would have skills for making accessories such as gloves and rosaries, and armor. The armor could maybe change the player's element like some cards do if made with elemental stones(of course with a high cost and chance of failure). As for combat, they could use little contraptions, which would work kind of(exactly) like traps.

 

Artisan->Engineer:

The High class would start having the ability to set up operable structures such as towers, barricades, walls, as well as demolishing ald salvaging them. Mages and archers(and other ranged attackers) in the Engineer's party could climb it and find an artificial "cliff top"(probably one person per tower. The "health" of these structures would be defined by the Engineers INT, maybe x% his MATK or MDEF. The third class would be a Siege Engineer, with new stuff such as siege ladders(linking two spots across cliffs or streams), Siege Rams(which would move with allies inside, while covering for them. should have earth element, since wood burns easily), and turrets(operated by himself). These things would need materials which could be bought, or made with a quest skill.

 

Archer->(Maybe Arcane Archer, maybe Miko, like Kagome from Inuyasha, or maybe something else entirely):

Would get to use both MATK and ATK passively on basic attacks(10 levels of Imbue Arrow to get 100% MATK added to the attack), would have buffs with two functions: first, change the element of the basic attack, increasing up to 20% at level 5; second, modify the specifics of imbue skills: exploding arrow would have different effects depending on the element. Water would have a chance to freeze, Wind to Stun, Earth to petrify, and Fire extra damage. 

 

(Whatever the name of the other class)->Bowmaster:

Skills to increase the field of view(by now our range is beyond the screen, so it's very limiting to not see further), Bow Mastery skill, adding passive damage to the bow, and a short buff/debuff to increase ASpd while reducing accuracy.

 

Mage->Druid:

New spells that interact with other spells in the area, instead of the casters of the spells. Combustible gases that would explode if hit with fire spells, unstable ground that would cause a landslide after some time or after being triggered by ground skills, and other things like that. The main point would be that the focus would be attacks with neutral, earth or poison property using the MATK for damage, since earth is very limited in the other mage classes, and neutral and poison are mostly used with ATK for damage.

 

Druid->Treefather:

Spells to entangle roots, grow timebound forrests on the path(similar to ice wall, but bigger, with a different element and with duration affected by nearby water).

 

Acolyte->Necromancer:

Would be mainly about corruption and decay. Such guys would normally not be heroes, but since there is always some threat to the world or to the kingdom, they decide to fight along agains a common enemy. The main roleplay feature of a class like this would be the disappointment in the Temple, and thus he/she would start challenging the works of the divine. Debuffs(basically the opposites of the priest buffs, and would be buffs for the undead minions), enslavement and summoning of undead(first a skill to temporarily change an undead enemy to ally, later the ability to summon a permanent undead).

 

Necromancer->Dark Priest:

You would startdefying not only the dead's respite, but death itself. You would get a PVP "ressurection" spell in which you use the body of another player to summon a weaker copy(on your side), and send them to the Save point. You would get stronger depending on the number of dead player bodies around you, and could use the ones who are afk dead for too long to replenish yourself. Maybe the third class could become a Lich? Would be interesting to be able to play an undead as a player. Heck, the lich could maybe resurrect with and undead status! That would be awesome!

 

Thief->Shadowdancer:

You could use the shadows(read as, close to a wall) to get to places. Jump from shadow to shadow, get to your opponent instantly, shroud yourself in darkness to increase dodge temporarily.

 

Shadowdance->Shadowmaster:

Now you can use shadow as if it were solid. Make an armor of shadow, or stab your enemies from afar with their own shadows. There could be a passive to increase shadow effectiveness, and a buff to change the player's element to dark.

 

Swordsman->Blade Apprentice

Would be basically about passive skills to increase DPS(Aspd, Hit and Specific weapon damage) and Survivability(Flee and Defense, as well as adding a portion of the ATK to flee as a "parry" chance), with a movement speed buff to make up for the Peco Peco and some non-flashy fighting skills, like countering(which I know Knight already has).

 

Blade Apprentice->Weapon Master

Could activate a state where power bursts out of him(think about something along the lines of Super Saiyan), in which he can use an energy slash skill. Besides that, Greater mastery in each weapon(needing lvl 10 in the basic mastery of the weapon, of course), buffs for each attribute enhanced by the passives of the Blade Apprentice, and some more "Martial Arts Movie"-like skills, like countering with a stun instead of damage, and that famous cliche from samurai movies where you run past the enemy while attacking.

 

 

 

 

I know most of these are either childish, wishful, foolish or any number of other stupidities, but since it was a VERY long time ago that the 2-2 classes came along, and there are some approaches unfulfilled, and since it's not impossible to add new mechanics to the game, I think some of these would be interesting, while others are here more to make it a new path for each of the basic classes.

 

I, at least, think some of these are among the class archetypes for most RPGs(although necromancer is usually the villain, and engineers usually are at most hired to help the adventurer at some point).

 

If you have the time to point out the flaws, make your own ideas for a third path for the basic classes, since my comments are limited, I would love to see any ideas for new classes, even if I can only use for Pen and Paper. 

[Romanov90]

Samurai (1-3)
Old japanese warrior who only wields a katana.

skills:
Spiritual Prayer(10)
prays to the ancient spirit.
+10sp regen/sec
enables the use of genbu blessing, suzaku's wrath, seiryuu's law, and byakko's roar.


Katana Mastery(10)
a samurai must understand their weapons more than themselves.

increase the chance when refining a katana by 0.2 per skill level.

each level will increase the damage done by katana by 20 per skill level.

Samurai's will(5)
hardened in countless battle
gains 1 stack of Rage for each 500 missing hp.
each stack gives 10atk,20matk,2%aspd,10def,-1 percent sp consumption.

Arashi(5)
Strike through a target apply bleeding status to the target.
100% atk/skilllvl.

Pommel strike(5)
strike with the katana's grip.
inflicting stun
50%atk,10% stun chance/lvl

Wild swipe(10).
Spins forward in a whirlwind fashion.
100%atk/lvl
each stack of rage adds 10%atk.
3x3 cell aoe.

Last act(10)
a samurai should never die by their opponents blade.
inflict 200%matk/lvl+atk on the last person who attacked you.

Genbu's blessing
With the blessing of the fortitude turtle.
samurai gains 50%neutral damage reduction , 200%hp regen and 25%magical resistance.
but reducing movespeed by 70%

and so on.. would be amazing tho..

and Ronin, shogun? should be the next class advancement..