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#1 RioCyrus97

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Posted 23 July 2015 - 02:41 AM

Hey guys, I just became RG yesterday and everything was great. I manage to max my OB and CS skill. I can dish out mobs with my OB. However, I have problems in tanking the mobs and maintaining my sp. I have Rudolf to heal me but the carrot made me overweight. So what should I do to solve my problems so that I can solo smoothly. In addition, is there a way to cast OB without using casting gear; healing item to replace carrot; and to position my OB so that I can one shot my mob without wasting sp. I have RWH, hunting spear.

 

Please help me, I really love my OB dmg :p_love: :p_love: :p_love:


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Posted 23 July 2015 - 08:45 AM

A couple things you can try out (or a combination of these):

1) Earth Deleter armor for SP leech. SP regen will be nullified so you might as well go overweight.
2) Heavy Lifter Box for more weight.
3) Hotkey swap between the rudolf and the RWH. RWH should be on most of the time, especially during the OB hit so you can potentially get SP back. Swap to the rudolf to heal up when HP is medium / low.
4) WPH + Alarm Mask combo heals better than rudolf.
5) Snowier accessories + ice cream for healing.
6) Thanatos spear + hunter fly + other HP leech gear.
7) Get a bit of INT for a slightly higher SP pool.
8) Get an ungoliant card so you won't bleed.

You need phen or orleans for OB. Positioning, usually you aim the cell right in front of you and try to drag the mobs to be right at that position. Don't use Guard. Use Endure to help with the flinching / pulling the monsters.
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Posted 23 July 2015 - 10:49 AM

grab an incubus pet too, it helps heaps.


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Posted 23 July 2015 - 03:06 PM

Ah, I see. Some couple of things to ask, what card should I put in my RWH? does marduk card good for it? does 70 dex enough for 99-120 or I need to increase it at least to 80?


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Posted 23 July 2015 - 03:34 PM

Carding your RWH is probably not your highest priority right now. Though I don't know the rest of your gears. Upgrading from Rudolf to a WPH is definitely a higher priority than carding your RWH though. You can really just leave the RWH uncarded as there aren't many game-changing headgear cards that will help you a lot. Only ones I could think of would be Ungoliant (bleed immunity is amazing), Arc Angeling (only if you have 77 LUK, which would be borderline crazy on an RG), Carat Card (only for +9, the extra SP would be nice on a lower level RG).

70 or 80 DEX is probably fine, unless you see you're really having issues hitting monsters. There are some cheap HIT gears out there too. Note that DEX also affects your OB damage directly since it's within the formula. So getting to ~90 DEX early on isn't a waste at all.
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Posted 23 July 2015 - 05:01 PM

here is my char. Is there anything that i need to change? Tell me  :p_love:  :p_love:  :p_love:

 

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In addition, does hell poodle + umbala spirit a good healing booster?


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Posted 24 July 2015 - 09:13 AM

VIT is a bit low but it's still manageable. INT I'd prefer to have ~30 but you might be okay with 1, you just might use more SP consumables. AGI is kind of too high for a level 100, but it's not a sin either and you'll probably end up with high AGI endgame anyway if you're an MVP build. Since you have a HBP you might want to build your stats / stat progression around it, aiming for 90 of certain useful stats.

I'd focus on getting a bunch of resist gear. Starting with Raydric Card, or any other garment reduction. Get a bunch of racial reduction shields probably. The current shield is Tatacho? Just a note, I think Tatacho only works against monsters who are a neutral element, NOT neutral element attacks.

If upgrading any gear, focus on gear that only gives bonuses after certain levels of upgrades (HBP bonus at +9, RWH bonus at +9, etc). The extra defense is negligible at this point.
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Posted 24 July 2015 - 11:21 AM

oh ok, i see now what should i do. for the tatacho i think it's block some neutral dmg but idk can't put finger on it. say, do u guys have any guide on how to position OB correctly and deal maximum dmg on mobs? that would be helpful :p_laugh:  :p_laugh:  :p_laugh:


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Posted 24 July 2015 - 11:35 AM

Tatacho doesn't work like that. The only sort of general-use type of shield card would be Hodremlin.

For OB positioning, maybe search up some youtube videos of RGs.
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Posted 24 July 2015 - 01:17 PM

OB works nicest when you have all the mobs grouped up against a wall. otherwise as long as you keep them in front of you there'll be no problem, it's when they start mobbing you from all directions that it gets hard to kill them. so if that happens you can just wing and find a new mob. mob them up in a line, use cannon spear then when they get close use OB and everything usually dies.


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Posted 24 July 2015 - 02:25 PM

man, now i know why tatacho card is cheap but why in IW stat said it does reduce neutral attack and when i'm tanking with the shield i somehow has low dmg hit a bit. might be illusion i think. one question, does nidh gaarb good?


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Posted 26 July 2015 - 12:53 PM

It's confusing but yes it only works on neutral element monsters. Monsters themselves have an element, and their attacks have elements too. Regular melee attacks are neutral, but note that ghostring does not reduce them (but raydric and deviling do). Racial shield cards tend to be the most useful and give 30% reduction. For reduction in general, it's best to stack the same type. Like you can stack lots of demihuman resist by using cat ear beret, combat knife, thara frog card, etc. Likewise, you can stack lots of neutral resist using Deviling, Palace Guard Cap, upgraded Immune Shield.

 

Nid Garb is pretty good. The 7% all elements applies to neutral too so if you have a Raydric in it you get 20 + 7 = 27% neutral resist. The SP leech is pretty nice for leveling too. Most RGs opt for HBP though since HBP gives a lot of useful bonuses in general to RG. Nothing preventing you from having both HBP and Nid Garb though unless your budget restricts you on that.


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Posted 27 July 2015 - 07:02 AM

nice, so it's not waste at all that i have bought nidh garb.... right now i'm w8ing to reset my char back where i think the agi are too high that my vit are too low for me to tank....oh yeah i just some posts stated about shield build and it is OP if build correctly....any1 knows about this and would share it????i know this is out of topic but it's not a fault to ask right?? does moonslash+OB any good and can any1 explain to me about banding and prestige??? i a little bit confused


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Posted 27 July 2015 - 09:37 AM

Hard to say, I'd just try to get enough neutral reduction for now, something with a raydric card preferably. HBP with raydric would be pretty nice (25% at +7, 30% at +9, but need 90 VIT), and Nid Garb would be decent too (27%). I'm not sure how many people still use Nid Garb though so it's hard to say about resale value.

Stat reset might not help you all that much. Your VIT isn't too horrible and you'll probably eventually get high AGI anyway.

Shield oriented builds are pretty bad for RG. I think the only "shield" skill that's an AOE is Earth Drive and that isn't really strong enough to level with.

Moonslasher is okay. I prefer just leaving it at the pre-req for OB rather than maxing it; I prefer aiming for Shield Spell level 1 first since that adds a lot of damage and is more significant.

Banding you probably want to skip. No other RGs really get this, and you probably won't use Genesis Ray outside of PVP. If you want to get this eventually, just do a skill reset when you're near endgame.

Prestige is pretty good but more for MVP I'd say. At least Shield Spell 1 is a lot more important since it helps your damage so much. Get OB 5 and SS 1 before considering anything else IMO.

Try getting into Eden Gramps TI parties using your rudolf or whatever as healing if you aren't too used to soloing yet.
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Posted 27 July 2015 - 06:47 PM

ah i see, well i think i will go with nidh garb first until  i got my thanatos spear for the sp leech and btw about the vit actually i easily die in mid TI and i think i might get some vit first then my agi. and for the banding i a little bit surprise becuz some ppl said it would help with tanking because the overawe status? i don't know about it much. about the neutral resist what else should i get to increase the resistance.? it would be nice to tank with low dmg and less dying  :p_love:


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Posted 28 July 2015 - 09:48 AM

There shouldn't be much difference between 40 and 70 vit, unless the specific monsters stun a lot. And if they do, you'd need to be in the 80's / 90's range to be immune, and be near their base level.

Banding requires at least one other RG (also with banding) and I doubt anyone really gets Banding. I think most RGs usually just do a skill reset at endgame to get Banding if they're planning to go with that build.

Neutral resist, get something raydric carded. Other items would be like 3D glasses, palace guard cap, immune shield, deviling card. But if you're wearing WPH + Alarm Mask, you can't wear other neutral resist gear. If you're using lots of racial reduction shields, you probably won't put all of them in high upgraded immune shields either. So instead of stacking neutral resist, you might have to just use some regular racial reduction card.

The basic math would be, with a +9 HBP, it's 30% neutral reduction. With a racial reduction card it's 30% on that race. That would mean you take 70% damage, then another 70% from that, resulting in you taking only (0.7 * 0.7 = 0.49) 49% damage.

You can swap to a fortune sword for a bit of perfect dodge for a bit more reduction normally too.

Pure tank builds would mean you're only good for tanking within a TI party and you won't be good at soloing. Solo build would mean you will try to get shield spell level 1 ASAP.
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Posted 30 July 2015 - 02:28 PM

gee man, thx. u've help me a lot. ok i'll reset my char a bit to lemme have some hp....the aspd can w8 for a while since my VP do crap dmg :p_swt:  luckily i can get my hand on immune shield..

 

i just remember something, does wearing holy armor can negate GC hp reckoned? i would love to learn more about this class :p_idea:  i'm still on study so i'm a little bit have hard time to learn my char :p_sad:


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Posted 30 July 2015 - 02:53 PM

Again, I don't fully support doing your stat reset but if you insist, it's up to you.

I actually don't really recommend getting the immune shield. Just get a bunch of round bucklers or valk shields with racial cards. I'd put the nice cards or the ones you use the most into valks.

I've personally tried using GC with/without Holy Armor before. I still take damage with Holy on. Though it could be that only the physical part hits...? But, I couldn't tell the difference between the two but I didn't really make a lot of damage comparisons. OB is probably way better in every way anyway.
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Posted 30 July 2015 - 04:18 PM

oh, ok :p_idea:  well that fact i got from battle AB where they really want holy armor...so i been thinking if this will help to negate GC hp reckoned :p_hi:  anyway i'm looking forward other guide for RG specifically PvM where we can solo and conquer the Asgard :p_devil:


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