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[RoxCore]

thats not what i mean... for sure u can change weappon.. like in wow for warrior 1 hand shield or 2 hander for dps... but u should not be allwoed to swich your full "build" and change all other items...

 

its like.. ohh a melee attacks me i change to tank armor.. ohh a caster attack me i change to resi armor.. ohhh noone attack me gogo full scad gear...

[Kazara]

The idea is mainly for ornament and should be applied only for ornament Helium.

Here, an ornament can change you from full resistance to full defense or to full damage etc...

Look, there is a ornament that do 72% all resistances.... Making people unable to switch ornament in battlefield is a good idea, so they can't be "immune" to everything, and switch from defense to dmg to resistance...but they must build around armor and other gears too.

Edited by Kazara, 17 August 2015 - 12:51 PM.

[BloodyHalo]

OK, what about a Shadow Runner that has a Crossbow and Dual Swords? I did this myself in 69 bracket battlefields and it was great fun, I did not see a problem and it called for my quick reaction and ability to switch in a moment too.

 

 

I think we touched this also somewhere earlier, when someone asked about sins and crossbows/dualies.  If you added a weapons slot where people could add weapons before battle, and then change them quickly this would easily solve that problem, while locking armors and ornaments during engagements.  

 

- Weapon usage definitely is a strategy that shouldn't hindered, because different weapons work in different situations and is not based on the enemies class (I:e a bow will work on a commander just as well as swords, because when sins start getting hit they can retreat and shoot with the bow).  Even though our class does not have a bow or ranged weapon(which would be cool) it is neat to use a 2h sword for dmg and then switch to a sword and shield afterwards (even though it is not easily switchable)

 

- Ornament switching, however, is SOLELY based on what kind class you're facing at THAT moment and is not a strategy, otherwise you could equip def against a caster and call it a "tactic" because in some situations it could be a viable option.  Yet we know that if you equip anything other than res against a caster then you DIE.  This is just taking advantage of whatever class you are about to face off with because you know they have one basic form/element of attack.   And THAT is what we call "exploiting". 

 

 

 

Tempest - Scad Ball/Res PoI

 

Defiler - Scad Ball/Res PoI

 

Radiant - Scad Ball/Res  PoI

 

Mystic - Scad Ball 2 /Res PoI

 

Forsaker - Scad Ball 2 /Res PoI

 

Elemental - Scad Ball 2/Res PoI

 

Assassin - Def/Block

 

SR - Block/Def

 

Dominator - Scad Ball/Res

 

Ranger - Def/Block

 

Protector - Ignore Ornament ;D   (Def)

 

Commander - Def/Block

 

Warlord - Def/Block (probably block with def debuff)

 

Zerk- Hopes and dreams

 

 

 

 

See?  There is no thought process here.  You either equip it or you die.

 

 

Not really enough druids to worry about, Avengers I guess light res, have to admit I don't know what they do anymore only seen like one in the last year.   Also, try the 90 bracket.  And then try it as a commander or protector.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited by BloodyHalo, 17 August 2015 - 02:13 PM.

[Sepilac]

 

Blueberry sent me. Three points I have on this discussion are as follows:

• Switching out gear IS NOT an exploit, it can be vital to a character strategy, and I do not think there should be a sort of restriction on equipping game items while in game combat (as unrealistic as it actually is to change actual armor in actual combat) under most circumstances. Then again, I think the golden rule is in all rules having exceptions and would not completely rule out some restriction.

 

 

tnx helium, don't let this ppl that who want no switching bother you, they just want it their way which is really selfish, the tempest started this topic always want to hit 6k+ for easy kill records XD, the other 1 qqing comi he want no switching, becaue when 4 or 5 ppl targeting him he's having a hard time switching gears lol on this , just look at his key config base on his posted screen shots and vid, still using he shift+ system, what a useless excuse XD too easy to change, there are available shortcut keys that only need 1 press to switch gears, no need to press shift and try grabing that 2nd button lol, like i said over and over u got used from the past killing most classe easily beacuse low def/hp, just change your key config to 1 press button and stop complaining making excuses  having a hardtime in battle field, u choose that class Halo so suffer the consequences and stop qqing here, if u don't wann get hit by 4-5 or more ppl in battle before u can get close to them then don't enter simple as that. 

[Mykey]

tnx helium, don't let this ppl that who want no switching bother you, they just want it their way which is really selfish, the tempest started this topic always want to hit 6k+ for easy kill records XD, the other 1 qqing comi he want no switching, becaue when 4 or 5 ppl targeting him he's having a hard time switching gears lol on this , just look at his key config base on his posted screen shots and vid, still using he shift+ system, what a useless excuse XD too easy to change, there are available shortcut keys that only need 1 press to switch gears, no need to press shift and try grabing that 2nd button lol, like i said over and over u got used from the past killing most classe easily beacuse low def/hp, just change your key config to 1 press button and stop complaining making excuses  having a hardtime in battle field, u choose that class Halo so suffer the consequences and stop qqing here, if u don't wann get hit by 4-5 or more ppl in battle before u can get close to them then don't enter simple as that. 

 

I suggest concise statements. Most people tune out diarrhea of the keyboard.

 

You might want to look closer at what Helium (aka the last one standing) had to say.  He said it is not an exploit but there may be exceptions.

 

I do not have a problem with your stance on switching ornaments. I disagree with it. But that does not warrant going after others.

[BloodyHalo]

tnx helium, don't let this ppl that who want no switching bother you, they just want it their way which is really selfish, the tempest started this topic always want to hit 6k+ for easy kill records XD, the other 1 qqing comi he want no switching, becaue when 4 or 5 ppl targeting him he's having a hard time switching gears lol on this , just look at his key config base on his posted screen shots and vid, still using he shift+ system, what a useless excuse XD too easy to change, there are available shortcut keys that only need 1 press to switch gears, no need to press shift and try grabing that 2nd button lol, like i said over and over u got used from the past killing most classe easily beacuse low def/hp, just change your key config to 1 press button and stop complaining making excuses  having a hardtime in battle field, u choose that class Halo so suffer the consequences and stop qqing here, if u don't wann get hit by 4-5 or more ppl in battle before u can get close to them then don't enter simple as that. 

 

 

Youre still as wrong as ever.  Secret:  Since certain persons seem to keep missing the point, I bolded it for your convenience.

 

The point was because if we switched to block orn while getting rained on, it wouldn't do any good, and would probably make it worse.  

 

After playing for 6+ years don't you think I would have switched controls if I was having trouble?  Duh..is...duh.  I happen to like the way old style is, its whats gotten/gets me tons, and tons, of kills.  And I never use shift+anything, all I need is on one neat little skill bar,  because you remember that talk we had about creating a solid build that works in any situation without switch/clicking? So please stop spewing your usual nonsense, because everything you've said is you being  upset because someone join Vendecates, so get over it and up your character.

 

Also while you're thanking Helium..."Then again, I think the golden rule is in all rules having exceptions and would not completely rule out some restriction" - Helium....So...

 

Lol do you know what the point of a tank is?  We do just fine getting close, its what happens after that that is the problem.  

 

Dunno how many times I've shown Im pretty comfortable in the battlefield (if you've forgotten yet again you can refer back to the lovely screenshots I sent you), so I dunno what you're trying to say o_o.

 

Yes I chose commander and I facking love it!  Even when it pisses me off!  As lots of people chose Avenger, and look how thats turned out for them.  

 

I know you're going to come back with some nonsense remark probably containing several   , because you say the same thing over, and over, and over again for lack of a real argument, so please when you do, remember...

 

 

 

 Please insert coins and continue mdfk >_>

 

Edited by BloodyHalo, 17 August 2015 - 05:35 PM.

[Sepilac]

Youre still as wrong as ever.  Secret:  Since certain persons seem to keep missing the point, I bolded it for your convenience.

 

The point was because if we switched to block orn while getting rained on, it wouldn't do any good, and would probably make it worse.  

 

After playing for 6+ years don't you think I would have switched controls if I was having trouble?  Duh..is...duh.  I happen to like the way old style is, its whats gotten/gets me tons, and tons, of kills.  And I never use shift+anything, all I need is on one neat little skill bar,  because you remember that talk we had about creating a solid build that works in any situation without switch/clicking? So please stop spewing your usual nonsense, because everything you've said is you being  upset because someone join Vendecates, so get over it and up your character.

 

Also while you're thanking Helium..."Then again, I think the golden rule is in all rules having exceptions and would not completely rule out some restriction" - Helium....So...

 

Lol do you know what the point of a tank is?  We do just fine getting close, its what happens after that that is the problem.  

 

Dunno how many times I've shown Im pretty comfortable in the battlefield (if you've forgotten yet again you can refer back to the lovely screenshots I sent you), so I dunno what you're trying to say o_o.

 

Yes I chose commander and I facking love it!  Even when it pisses me off!  As lots of people chose Avenger, and look how thats turned out for them.  

 

I know you're going to come back with some nonsense remark probably containing several   , because you say the same thing over, and over, and over again for lack of a real argument, so please when you do, remember...

 

 

 

 Please insert coins and continue mdfk >_>

 

lol who care's if some1 joined your stupid son of bitch guild XD, qq more this no switching while in battle will never happen, already asked players online and all of them are no to this, only you, roxcore and yug, keep dreaming+qqing   
 

[BloodyHalo]

lol who care's if some1 joined your stupid son of bitch guild XD, qq more this no switching while in battle will never happen, already asked players online and all of them are no to this, only you, roxcore and yug, keep dreaming+qqing   
 

 

 

Technically its not MY guild, since I'm newish.  And Helium replied after only a couple days...so it actually MIGHT.  

 

You asked ALL the people online?  ALL THE PEOPLE.  Damn.

 

Even if that were true, do you remember when ALL the people complained that zerk was op?  You remember how fast it changed?  Oh ya...it hasn't yet.

 

As to only 3 people agreeing...

 

"Would love to see all those fail builds ripped a part when gear can be changed when u r not infight only" - MacMad

 

"I like this idea." - Kazara

 

"tbh im 50/50 on this idea im for it in the sense that yes it does cause casters to be un-naturally tanky, and in general too OP. im against it because well, it means half my gear would be worthless." Apol

 

"true.. in good mmo ´s u can`t change gear infight" - RoxCore

 

"yep. again . like bloody and Rox said. and selfish ? lol no. that won't help me and i still say : YES . DO IT . cause it seems fair as others said about playing really your job. once again." -Ark

 

"So, I must agree that switching ornaments at will should not be allowed in the middle of a battle." - Mkey

 

"Caster Classes SHOULD NOT have (on average) higher Melee Defense values than Melee Classes" - Helium  (Even though he hasn't fully agreed, what he said reinforces the fact it's a problem.)

 

1....2...3...4 whoa, that's already more than 2 people already who agree at least somewhat with the topic.

 

 

As to IF it will change, this topic is about WHY it should, so I suggest you get back to what we are talking about.   

 

 

lol who care's if some1 joined your stupid son of bitch guild XD         <----- Statements like this are rhetorical  

Edited by BloodyHalo, 17 August 2015 - 06:31 PM.

[Sepilac]

Technically its not MY guild, since I'm newish.  And Helium replied after only a couple days...so it actually MIGHT.  

 

You asked ALL the people online?  ALL THE PEOPLE.  Damn.

 

Even if that were true, do you remember when ALL the people complained that zerk was op?  You remember how fast it changed?  Oh ya...it hasn't yet.

 

As to only 3 people agreeing...

 

"Would love to see all those fail builds ripped a part when gear can be changed when u r not infight only" - MacMad

 

"I like this idea." - Kazara

 

"tbh im 50/50 on this idea im for it in the sense that yes it does cause casters to be un-naturally tanky, and in general too OP. im against it because well, it means half my gear would be worthless." Apol

 

"true.. in good mmo ´s u can`t change gear infight" - RoxCore

 

"yep. again . like bloody and Rox said. and selfish ? lol no. that won't help me and i still say : YES . DO IT . cause it seems fair as others said about playing really your job. once again." -Ark

 

"So, I must agree that switching ornaments at will should not be allowed in the middle of a battle." - Mkey

 

"Caster Classes SHOULD NOT have (on average) higher Melee Defense values than Melee Classes" - Helium  (Even though he hasn't fully agreed, what he said reinforces the fact it's a problem.)

 

1....2...3...4 whoa, that's already more than 2 people already who agree at least somewhat with the topic.

 

 

As to IF it will change, this topic is about WHY it should, so I suggest you get back to what we are talking about.   

 

 

lol who care's if some1 joined your stupid son of bitch guild XD         <----- Statements like this are rhetorical  

 

keep qqing XD, ask ppl that are online atm or go online when there are many peeps online and see for your self , ok it's getting late here im out u can keep qqing bb

 

[BloodyHalo]

 

 

- You're in Req, there are never a lot of people online.

 

 - in your next post, lets see if you can go without one of these.  My bet's on no...

 

- We have asked the people online, where do you think we are getting the "It's annoying that people have max everything whenever they switch" argument from.

 

- QQing is good for the soul, it's why we all play this game despite how angry it makes us sometimes.  Bottom line. We WILL QQ!  And have a great time doing it.

 

 

More on topic:

 

Helium honestly the game will survive without this change, it would just be really nice to see it happen.  If it doesn't we will have to fine ways to kill op characters, the same as we always has, but that doesn't make it right.  Even though he spouts nonsense, Sepilac is totally right.  If you lock ornaments, more people will die, because their builds revolve around taking advantage of the class attacking them.  But that's why it's called balance because even you admitted that casters are not supposed to have the same defenses that melee/tanks have.  Theres a reason why Min/Max builds are loved by some and hated by others.  Becuase if you can hit for 5k, youre going to get hit for 5k.

 

Maybe if 'hella high def counted more, casters could argue about it not being in their favor, but a sin hits JUST as hard on me, as they do with a caster who has cap def.  People are going to be mad that they can't equip EXACTLY what they need to tank, right after they've hit a tank for 9k in under 5 seconds.  JUST like zerks complain that their op'ness is ok, because they are not so great at farming.  

But there really is no more explaining that I have should have to do.  When you're hitting someone for decent damage, and then you're hitting them for 0 damage, yes ZERO damage on a caster, and then they obliterate you, your team, and then somehow have still not reached the halfway point on their mp bar, something may be off.

Edited by BloodyHalo, 17 August 2015 - 06:58 PM.

[sonemere]

i would like this change but honestly if they wont remove 40% hp from item mall then whats the GD POINT?? wont matter if noone can switch and only hackers can. still gonna be an ability to swap ornaments no matter what u cry for. im speaking in reality here because that IS the actual reality of the situation here...

 

i would honestly just like to see all the skills and their descriptions NO A PILE OF GIBBERISH STEAMY -_-E!!!

[BloodyHalo]

i would like this change but honestly if they wont remove 40% hp from item mall then whats the GD POINT?? wont matter if noone can switch and only hackers can. still gonna be an ability to swap ornaments no matter what u cry for. im speaking in reality here because that IS the actual reality of the situation here...

 

i would honestly just like to see all the skills and their descriptions NO A PILE OF GIBBERISH STEAMY -_-E!!!

 

 

Well yah if we're talking people abusing the game nothing you can really do except fraps and hope support does the right thing and bans them...which happens...sometimes...right?  But when a sin somehow hits 8 times in 1 second ornament or no ornament you're probably going to die.  Or if a Defiler insta BoS's (Bull of Sheet <---Trademarked) well no amount of resist is going to save you.  But I would like to see the change, would be nice.

 

 

 

Lol my Dna still says reduce casting time of Beam Slash and casting time of Beam Slash -

 

 

O_o my face after coming back from the break and trying to figure out skills...can only imagine what its like for new people.

 

p.s. I think I've given up on the 40%hp, I won't be buying one, so I guess I'll just have to adjust to sins having the same amount of hp as most prots...with cap def...with stealing weapon.  Fun times.

Edited by BloodyHalo, 17 August 2015 - 10:02 PM.

[Sandyman]

sonemere is right.

 

The Game wants you to cap on M-Def. & P-Def. so you only have to think about buying a  Hp +40 % Item - it`s as easy as that.

 

If you could not increase your P-Def. or M-Def. to the Point a HP + 40 % would matter - than there is no Point in selling it at all.

 

So what some are saying is increase the Cap of M-Def. & P-Def. to a Point where you would need more than 1 Swap Item to make Enchanting matter.

 

That a Assassin for example would feel the need to enchant Resist into his Armor or Accessory... I can get that..

 

So why not increasing the P-Def. from 5.000 Defense = 80 % Reduction to new* 10.000 P.Def. = 80 % reduction ? and do the same for Resist?

 

Well because than you would need to adjust (lower) the Mob Damage Worldwide or increase the Defense Buff Skills 

 

Otherwise New Player would have it twice has hard to level their Chars.

 

I don`t know if the Dev`s like that kind of extra Work^^  

Edited by Sandyman, 17 August 2015 - 10:45 PM.

[sonemere]

russian player already said 2 servers in RU reqq got closed because of mall 40% hp...the main point u need to take away from all this is that ornament switching is moot when that item exist in the game. YES its a good idea to stop ornament swap...but vrs 40% hp u are all damned!!! there is no coming bak from that item ingame. the ornaments will not be a real factor in determining who will or will not win.

 

sonemere is right.

 

thats a first in my book so far lol

 

all i want from the game is classes to have the capability to successfully complete end content without having to sell their GD KIDNEYS!!

 

heres a thought... if u scaled 60 items to mdc items in a linear progression... lvl 70 items would have twice the base stats they have now... that makes u feel like every piece of equipment u reinforce between 70-85 feel like u are wasting ur time. knowing that someday u might get mdc necklace. theres nothing out there that can be better obviously...right?? thats fine for it to be like that ...but the lvl 70 necklace should be near 1/3 of the mdc necklace AS BASE AMOUNT!!!

 

the divide between 60 and 90 items just shows how much fail has happened in the last few years with new content. nothing can fix this unless they rescale EVERY FUKIN ITEM INGAME TOWARDS A LINEAR PROGRESSION!!!

Edited by sonemere, 17 August 2015 - 11:18 PM.

[Sandyman]

Players on Forum and Devs seeing only End Game i know.

 

I think the 40 % HP Item is only killing the Game because for new Player the 49 or 69 Battlefields feeling total unbalanced as well.

 

Myself only participate as a Supporter on 90+ Battlefields because i gave up on asking for balancing that long time ago.

 

A more balanced 90+ Battlefield would be great but equialiy important is to ask for the lower brackets. Because if i can`t do good at lower

 

I don`t even care about End Game...i`m long time away by then.

 

But it`s always the same anyway...if the Company loses Money from it...then we won`t see it happen. Was same for my Poll.

 

It`s the same for your MDC Item Suggestion they want you to feel the need of extra Prem. Exp and to reach Cap level.

 

Dev`s are prisoned with the present the today...if there is a risk a bet like to lose Money from Now , then even more Player in the Future don`t seams to matter.

Edited by Sandyman, 17 August 2015 - 11:53 PM.

[BloodyHalo]

Well when you introduce a lvl jump event, and then later introduce a mega enchant event available once to each character, knowing people now have 523452352435 characters, you cant really be surprised if they add and don't take away something as nonsensical as an item that adds almost half your hp to you.  

 

All you can do is QQ on the forum and hope that Helium is not 

 

 

Edited by BloodyHalo, 17 August 2015 - 11:50 PM.

[Sandyman]

well that`s ok we all have to habituate with the Situation.

 

I came to enjoy all the beating around the bush Posts we see here as well.

 

It`s like the talks about climate changes...it`s Politic you know.

[radianthelper1]

Dude why are you arguing with Sepilac. Cmon hes a dokdo troll. Just ignore his posts. They don't make much sense either.

 

Now back on topic, Sandy is right on the money with the capping out defenses easily to force players to buy the 40% HP.

Though, you are a bit off with that cap defense. And tbh caster reaching 5k is quite difficult. NATURAL 5k, I should specify. I still think aoe defense buffs need to be nerfed somehow. Either make them last a short period of time to make the player using it think twice, or...idk. I don't completely agree with the death of defense buff caster removing the buff from everyone, that will promote town hugging.

 

Now I do want to mention that damage has gotten a bit out of hand. My defiler has 4.8k defense when im wearing full defense, and 50k evasion. The sins are hitting for over 3k. This is insane. 28k hp gets shredded so fast. Scad and cad need to be rethought. I mean I watched warmachine lose CHUNKS of hp against a mystic using a WAND!!!! Really doesn't make sense.

 

 

I think commie/prot shield really should block magic attacks at 50% block amount. ONLY COMMIE AND PROTS!

Also no other class should be able to use a melee shield.

 

All wishful thinking at the end. We all know Helium wont implement any of our suggestions.

Just wait until the next skill patch comes. I bet rangers get even more skills to cast with cast time.

And I bet avengers will get shafted.

[BloodyHalo]

Dude why are you arguing with Sepilac. Cmon hes a dokdo troll. Just ignore his posts. They don't make much sense either.

 

Now back on topic, Sandy is right on the money with the capping out defenses easily to force players to buy the 40% HP.

Though, you are a bit off with that cap defense. And tbh caster reaching 5k is quite difficult. NATURAL 5k, I should specify. I still think aoe defense buffs need to be nerfed somehow. Either make them last a short period of time to make the player using it think twice, or...idk. I don't completely agree with the death of defense buff caster removing the buff from everyone, that will promote town hugging.

 

Now I do want to mention that damage has gotten a bit out of hand. My defiler has 4.8k defense when im wearing full defense, and 50k evasion. The sins are hitting for over 3k. This is insane. 28k hp gets shredded so fast. Scad and cad need to be rethought. I mean I watched warmachine lose CHUNKS of hp against a mystic using a WAND!!!! Really doesn't make sense.

 

 

I think commie/prot shield really should block magic attacks at 50% block amount. ONLY COMMIE AND PROTS!

Also no other class should be able to use a melee shield.

 

All wishful thinking at the end. We all know Helium wont implement any of our suggestions.

Just wait until the next skill patch comes. I bet rangers get even more skills to cast with cast time.

And I bet avengers will get shafted.

 

 

When it gets late at night I entertain him because my sleep=bored= bad decisions >_>

 

To be fair to mystics... I was NOT wearing res at the time, so don't nerf them because of me being dumb , but I  DO know some mystics who even with res its like I have an ele debuff on at all times.  Defilers however, I've worn res gear with my 40khp and I was gone in about 7 seconds.  Normall without rushing, if I run towards a defi I reach them at about 1/2 hp.  My thing is if you can hit me for God knows how much now, you have no right to complain about me face striking you and saying we cant win without it!  <---complaint I get from 95% of defilers in battlefields

 

Because Hell goddamn no we cant win without it!  Most commies don't break 1k scad or even hit more than 1.8k+ on cap, so if you've got high hp, def, eva, hitting for 3k easy, ridiculous aoes, ridiculous heals, BoS,  how on God's green earth am I supposed to beat you with ONE 3 second with a 14 second downtime, no heals, less eva, than you o_O...I'm just curious, because if there is a way I'd sure as hell like to know.  

 

I won't say the name, cuz he's a buddeh of mine, but the convo went something like this:

 

"duel me without facestrike lets see if you win."  -him

 

"Duel me without BoS or healing lets see if you win." - me

 

"BoS is my attack skill!" - him

 

"Facestrike is my survival skill >_>" - Me 

 

 

 

This was all slightly off topic, forgive the rant.  Point being some classes are so op they don't even know it, and some THINGS in game make them just stupidly op.   Dunno if sins and zerks have this same problem, zerks I know have Blood Rage so probably not, and sins have stun-locks.  I know protectors do, and they dont have AM (Though they have heals, though if a rad cannot keep me alive I doubt they will fair any better.)

 

 

 

 

[ARKILIUS]

no. they don't like i said many times already...

 

my protander can't balance damages , moreover crowds ( but that's normal , and they don't even waste time with crowds anymore , just spamming AoC is clearly enough )

 

even with full scad build giving me now near 5k heals and 1,5 - 2 k damages on them. a skill that harm you while it heal opponent with such a spamming ability can't be matched without crowds or zerks.

 

0 chances , not even to win : just 0 chances to SURVIVE if you are aimed.

[BloodyHalo]

no. they don't like i said many times already...

 

my protander can't balance damages , moreover crowds ( but that's normal , and they don't even waste time with crowds anymore , just spamming AoC is clearly enough )

 

even with full scad build giving me now near 5k heals and 1,5 - 2 k damages on them. a skill that harm you while it heal opponent with such a spamming ability can't be matched without crowds or zerks.

 

0 chances , not even to win : just 0 chances to SURVIVE if you are aimed.

 

 

At least with ornaments locked they would be afraid of dying...more often than not I see casters running after melee xD.  I think Ele's use their escape dash to hunt more than to get away lol.

[RoxCore]

... fail right?