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#1 6496130602020504303

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Posted 18 August 2015 - 11:40 PM

So, i was talking about that on Public Chat...

 

The Beastmaster AOE (Beast Tornado) is x/3 while level 25~50 and has a standard 3 seconds cooldown, but when you get Master Level, is goes to x/6 and, when 6/6, the cooldown drops to 0 seconds. That's just great and help a lot when grindind, not only for damaging but to keep aggro.

Ok, the Monk AOE (Lightning Crush) is just like the BM, x/3 when 25~50 and x/6 when Master Level, BUT! It does not get to have 0 seconds cooldown, it is still 3 seconds cooldown. That really bother me as it drops grinding damage and gets in the way for a monk to keep massive aggro.

Is it possible for it to be changed? Can the devs drop the cooldown of Lightning Crush to 0 too? That would not mess with balancing too much (or not at all) and would certainly help a lot of monks to get Master Points a little bit easier.

 

Thanks for reading! <3

 

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Posted 19 August 2015 - 12:08 AM

Agreed..

BeastMaster even have their self heal skills, and monks get Nothing...

Why dev hate monks so much?


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Posted 03 September 2015 - 11:46 AM

I am all for tornado skill to have no cool down but personally, I would not say monk is hated by devs. 

As someone who plays monk, I know for a fact that monk has high dodge and decent damage reduction skills. 


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Posted 04 September 2015 - 06:13 PM

I am all for tornado skill to have no cool down but personally, I would not say monk is hated by devs. 

As someone who plays monk, I know for a fact that monk has high dodge and decent damage reduction skills. 

 

thats not true , monk do not have good dodge anymore and damage reducing skill is useless because eddga still can one shoot monk , damage reduction from assasin,beastmaster,knight,wizard is stronger , my pvp damage is 90% and use 30% power greenseed and full +20eddga , assasin/rogue and knight/warrior can one shoot me when using 50% reduction skill , but my asura cannot oneshoot them it is my ultimate skill , but other class using normal skill cross impact ,bash etc etc and i am quit play this game


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Posted 14 September 2015 - 04:47 PM

Mhm, a change would be nice. I dislike constantly being rejected at Condors as I've recently reached master level 1 on my monk.

I love playing as a Monk it's fun, but it doesn't really have any party benefits.. Like Buffs or heals.. Like Knights, Warriors and Beast Masters have.

 

I feel Monk needs some loving and only way for that is to change a few things to make them for efficient for their tanking role.


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Posted 16 September 2015 - 11:49 AM

Yes, please remove Lightning Crush cooldown (3 s) and change to 0 s.

Because the other classes (Beast Master, Knight and Warrior) had an AoE with cooldown 0 s (Beast Tornado, Grand Cross, Brandish Storm).

Monk class need a balance respect the other class, don't need exclusions. 

Probably we need a good word from Monk VCR.

Thanks, i hope CM count the players opinion.  :p_smile:


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Posted 16 September 2015 - 06:04 PM

If the dev do remove Lightning Crush cooldown, they have to change the animation too.
Maybe decrease the height of LC's jump.
With the current animation, LC with no cooldown would be... Weird..
 
Monk's VCR.. Please.. At least give it a try to mention this on your report.
I assure you, monks LC would never causes imbalance, monks hurts no one with their LC cooldown removed.
Or leave the cooldown, but make it hit harder.

 


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Posted 20 September 2015 - 10:32 PM

As a Beastmaster (BM is popping up a lot here in conversation) here's my spin on this.
 
For reference, abusing the 0 second cooldown on Beast Tornado is actually not the most effective way of mobbing with Beastmaster, so it hardly comes into play. Fury Strike > Tornado > Fury Strike > Wild Impact > Brutal Strike > x is the better way of mobbing, since Brutal Strike is going to do a ton more damage than a lot of tornados strung together and you stack beast points should you need emergency healing with Cruel Bite.
 
While it's true both are tanking classes, it's important to understand that they both have different pros and cons. Beastmaster's traits are high health and self-sustain, while Monk is better suited to single-target tanking with a plethora of damage-reducing skills and high dodge. 
 
The real place where these classes differ is in PvP; Beastmaster has the short end of the stick here. while yes, they can stack up tons of health coupled with damage reduction hones/runes and be extremely difficult to take down, they don't exactly do anything back unless you let them hit you for a few years. Beastmaster's damage output in PvP is very very poor, we can't kill healers and we can't beat the other tank classes, so the only killable targets are assassin, rogue, wizard, crecentia and to some extent sorcerer. On the other hand we have Monk, where some of the geared ones in the server are now reaching above 90K HP themselves coupled with their massive defenses and dodge actually makes them tankier than a Beastmaster. Monk, however, can kill people in PvP very easily from full health with Guillotine Fist in a matter of 5 seconds.
 
Beastmaster is the undisputed PvE champion of the game while being a bottom tier PvP class, and Monk is a mediocre PvE class while being a strong PvP class. It's these distinctions that I think are the reasoning behind Monk not being able to spam Lightning Crush as often as Beast Tornado - because Monk wasn't designed to excel in PvE mobbing. Not hating on Monk or anything here, I just think those are some of the reasons why Lightning Vrush is as it is.
 
As for the Battle Tactics classes.. I don't think it's fair to compare to them since it's almost unanimously agreed upon that they're very broken right now.

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Posted 20 September 2015 - 11:09 PM

It's not BT broken it's all the game except BT to be broken!!!
Your point is right about pvp and pve the problem is that to be able to pvp you are forced (since we have no more solo levelling) to pve first of all!!!
Monks are not real tanks this is a common mistake they are more a "slow" dps class, they can do a lot of damage but they need a bit of time to do it so to "buy" time they have defensive skills. You can't pretend that a wizard will focus on tanking as you can't pretend a knight will focus on dps they simply don't have the skills and the stats to do it. Beast master is a versatile class meant to not excell in any role but still prefer the tank part at the same time monks are versatile classes more focused on the single target.
Why this game lack of players willing to level certain classes? Simply because this game no more suits them!
Wizards, sorcerer, monks, rogue, crescentia they are not good in party when the focus is grinding and not boss killing.

Edited by Shinyusuke, 20 September 2015 - 11:41 PM.

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