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#1 Mykey

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Posted 22 August 2015 - 05:19 AM

Regardless of what has happened with the staff, and no matter how angry/toxic we may have become, it is clear that the support for this game is limited. It is also not likely to increase anytime soon.

 

Any changes at all at this point at least indicate that they aren't flipping the power switch in the server room to off.

 

Attacking everything put out on the forums by the one we need help from is not going to do anything other than make it much easier for Gravity to throw in the towel.

 

I no longer trust in Gravity to provide the services I want. Once bitten twice shy... However, I have been in the position of captaining the ship someone else's incompetence has sunk.

The suckiest position in the world is being high enough up in management to be responsible for everything but not high enough up to change things.

 

 

About Helium:

 

I am not an insider at Gravity so all of the following is supposition and educated guesses.

 

Helium was in that middle position all responsibility and little power for years. The community and game were damaged (possibly beyond recovery) by the prior managing of the game by those above him. Then, after everything was in a complete state of dysfunction, the resources needed to do just the basics were pulled, and the customer base had become Toxic, they hand over the reins to him.

 

Screaming at him and throwing fits will not help. In fact it seems an awful lot like biting the hand that feeds you to me. If things were like this and he had a full team with unlimited resources then I would be joining in the attacks on him. That is not the case. What little they have left to give towards the game appears to be being given. It is not all that I would want, but at least it is better than turning it all off.

 

Calmly ask for what you want. 

Calmly point out what you perceive as broken.

It is okay to be direct and honest about how you feel about the company and game.

Please try not going off on the last man standing.

 

This not only gets better results it reduces your stress levels.

 


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#2 kafkaesque

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Posted 22 August 2015 - 07:33 AM

finally some mature words from a player who plays a small mature game with very limited ressources

 

I like you Mykey


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Posted 22 August 2015 - 08:10 AM

Thanks for relaying across what most of us regular folk know and understand.

 

This deserves a sticky and locked to remind folks.


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Posted 22 August 2015 - 08:36 AM

You sir sound to me like someone who is addicted to this product. So much so you will support it no matter how obviously bad it has become . I believe a better term for this would be Stockholm syndrome. The reason that has caused most rage is a broken skill balance . Something I'd hope would take less time to fix than creating new map, dungeon etc. It is not acceptable to have left this problem unsolved when by Heliums own admission it was his fault it has been left this long and we have a severely diminished population because of it. Most of the rage is a direct result of poor planning and leaving tasks incomplete before creating and starting a whole new project. Just look at the rediculious amount of end game gear now being created and more on the way. There was no need to pump out so much new items this fast leaving a skill rebalanced barely 40% complete for over a year. How can you hope to balance anything when everyone's stats are constantly changing due to cash cowing new items this fast. There is no plan that I can see or rational behind the last 8 months of content. It just feels like stuff added just for the sake of doing something while the major issues in the game making people quit are left to fester.

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Posted 22 August 2015 - 09:30 AM

You sir sound to me like someone who is addicted to this product. So much so you will support it no matter how obviously bad it has become . I believe a better term for this would be Stockholm syndrome. The reason that has caused most rage is a broken skill balance . Something I'd hope would take less time to fix than creating new map, dungeon etc. It is not acceptable to have left this problem unsolved when by Heliums own admission it was his fault it has been left this long and we have a severely diminished population because of it. Most of the rage is a direct result of poor planning and leaving tasks incomplete before creating and starting a whole new project. Just look at the rediculious amount of end game gear now being created and more on the way. There was no need to pump out so much new items this fast leaving a skill rebalanced barely 40% complete for over a year. How can you hope to balance anything when everyone's stats are constantly changing due to cash cowing new items this fast. There is no plan that I can see or rational behind the last 8 months of content. It just feels like stuff added just for the sake of doing something while the major issues in the game making people quit are left to fester.

 

I haven't played more than 30 minutes since February of 2013.


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Posted 22 August 2015 - 09:50 AM

Regardless of what has happened with the staff, and no matter how angry/toxic we may have become, it is clear that the support for this game is limited. It is also not likely to increase anytime soon.

 

Any changes at all at this point at least indicate that they aren't flipping the power switch in the server room to off.

 

Attacking everything put out on the forums by the one we need help from is not going to do anything other than make it much easier for Gravity to throw in the towel.

 

I no longer trust in Gravity to provide the services I want. Once bitten twice shy... However, I have been in the position of captaining the ship someone else's incompetence has sunk.

The suckiest position in the world is being high enough up in management to be responsible for everything but not high enough up to change things.

 

 

About Helium:

 

I am not an insider at Gravity so all of the following is supposition and educated guesses.

 

Helium was in that middle position all responsibility and little power for years. The community and game were damaged (possibly beyond recovery) by the prior managing of the game by those above him. Then, after everything was in a complete state of dysfunction, the resources needed to do just the basics were pulled, and the customer base had become Toxic, they hand over the reins to him.

 

Screaming at him and throwing fits will not help. In fact it seems an awful lot like biting the hand that feeds you to me. If things were like this and he had a full team with unlimited resources then I would be joining in the attacks on him. That is not the case. What little they have left to give towards the game appears to be being given. It is not all that I would want, but at least it is better than turning it all off.

 

Calmly ask for what you want. 

Calmly point out what you perceive as broken.

It is okay to be direct and honest about how you feel about the company and game.

Please try not going off on the last man standing.

 

This not only gets better results it reduces your stress levels.

Agree on this.. +1 on everything..


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#7 lastAvenger

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Posted 22 August 2015 - 11:11 AM

I haven't played more than 30 minutes since February of 2013.


All this tells me is you aren't up to date on why everyone's angry 2013? Wtf?
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Posted 23 August 2015 - 09:04 AM

All this tells me is you aren't up to date on why everyone's angry 2013? Wtf?

 

I have a new concept for you: Vicarious learning.

 

I have stayed in contact with folks who are still active in the game. And... what does game play have to do with this subject? 

Is there a tab that shows up in your inventory screen after playing 20 hours that week that gives you insight into the business practices of Gravity or the behavior of the people posting on the forums?

 

Resorting to personal attacks and immediately going after the person behind the statement rather than addressing the merit of what is being said, is exactly the problem I was pointing out in the first place.

 

At no point did I say that the community should not be angry. Or even the details as to why. All I asked for is civility and staying even tempered about what is going on.


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Posted 23 August 2015 - 12:02 PM

There can`t be a Winner if Community and Staff fight against each other.

 

Every side can Profit when we listen to each other.

 

Instead of Voxy most would prefer a simple Giant Koont,  would be cheaper to Program for Gravity and more fun for the Player. Win Win for all.

 

Sometimes it`s about the Design but most the Time it`s about the Loot and Drop.

 

Instead of RH Titan and MDC such Solo Bosses we want a "advanced Dungeon Mode" like SL or AT for example.

 

Yes it might be more work but in compensation you can earn the whole Year Money - and not only during Events like we see for Titan Bosses.

 

Enough said to the Skill Balance Topic already.


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Posted 24 August 2015 - 12:56 AM

Wise words Mykey, but this still wont excuse the lack of communication over the past years.

 

Player provided EVERYTHING and tried hard to help and solve problems, bugs, etc.

 

We asked for such simple things like weekly maintenance notes before release etc etc etc. Thats a few minute job in the forum.

Everytime things go critical a staff member pops up with nice and friendly words to calm people down.

 

Its not like weve been toxic from the beginning on, they made us this way.


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Posted 24 August 2015 - 02:29 AM

If you guys wanna help, go on bug section and report all the bugs you know, he actively reply there.


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Posted 24 August 2015 - 02:47 AM

Difference between replying and fixing kaz. Unless you want me to jump over there and thank him for his lip service. But Helium just needs a big hug to get him bk on track.

As for the OP. Clicking up hours in game isn't needed to form an opinion no. But having some log time under the current devs releases is needed. You talk to people ? You think with words and not experience uve learned from 2013 to 2015 why we have progressively become more angry? How do u know it's not Heliums fault? Furthermore why aren't you logging in 2 years and supporting the game if u feel so strongly about giving helium a chance. Nice words but they do nothing to help us or helium.

You remind me of Russell Brand and politics. Lots to say but not involved in the process and lacking credibility

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Posted 24 August 2015 - 03:27 AM

finally some mature words from a player who plays a small mature game with very limited ressources

 

I like you Mykey

 

 

 

 

 

https://forums.warpp...343-kafkaesque/

 

 

 

 

:hmm:

 

 

 

 

 

:heh:


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Posted 24 August 2015 - 07:50 AM

Wise words Mykey, but this still wont excuse the lack of communication over the past years.

 

Player provided EVERYTHING and tried hard to help and solve problems, bugs, etc.

 

We asked for such simple things like weekly maintenance notes before release etc etc etc. Thats a few minute job in the forum.

Everytime things go critical a staff member pops up with nice and friendly words to calm people down.

 

Its not like weve been toxic from the beginning on, they made us this way.

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Posted 31 August 2015 - 12:50 AM

I will certainly agree and I am also for a less "toxic" community, a community as a whole, because it has to also include "them", the staff, the "game and company guys" and not only "us", the players.

 

I also sympathise with Helium, I really do. I will agree that he probably has been the "middle man", as you describe him, and even now he probably gets his orders still, from the "upper management".

 

However...

 

We all know this "upper management" is just dreadful, it has always been, since day one. What good and promising they had in their hands with this little game, they managed, or even that was the plan (?), to destroy, by making all the wrong decisions, also heavily lying, misleading, and plainly betraying their playerbase. They betrayed, repeatedly, everyone, from the most casual "free" player, to the most "hardcore" ultra-spending mallwh*re. And, very sadly, to this very day, little has changed.

 

I will accept, that Helium (because his is the guy now) had and has the "best intentions". But you know... the road to Hell is full with "best intentions". And I am sorry to say... The last couple of years, or even months, absolutely HORRIBLE game decisions have ruined it even more. We all know the many problems the game had, for years, and were never truly addressed.

 

So, what would be logical? To hold on a sec, and perhaps try to look into those problems first. Try to start somewhere, with the existing material, before adding tons and tons more. Now they have created a maze, a vicious circle, and I am sorry but Helium has been part of this. If not the sole responsible, but certainly part of it.

 

This isn't any "hate" or "toxic" or crap. It is just a fact, and accepting the truth and what has been done.

 

I posted again before, and shall write it here again. Instead of working on a dozen new awesome projects (even if this could be real), there are very real, very present and very pressing maters, that need attention now. No, actually they needed attention yesterday, or months ago. But, OK, even NOW.

 

So, you think that anyone with a half functioning brain and who actually has a clue (I am sorry, but some players just don't have a clue, because they haven't been there YET - no offense) will agree hands down (assuming they are being honest and not just sporting the current "god mode" or FTOM class) that the class / skills situation and "balance" is completely ridiculous.

 

The gear situation is ridiculous. The dungeon and "raid" (trololol) situation is well... trololol. Battlegrounds are ridiculous. Is there anything I forgot to mention? Apart from all the other every day "small things".

 

So, please tell me how someone in their right mind would come to Requiem TODAY and spend hours, spend precious time, spend precious funds, and mental energy, and for.. what? To show off "e-peen"? To whom? The few dozen players, at very best, that might be probably still around?

 

So, again, I will agree with all you say. But then again. This game is in DIRE need of DRASTIC action. It needs a RESTART, a real one. If anyone or Helium truly believe that they can fix little bits by bits this one huge mess, I am very sorry, but you are living on la-la-land or fooling yourselves. I rather use these words than just say you are plainly lying and playing along the old story of "milking the cows" (fat or thin) for as long it is viable.

 

Requiem in its current state is DEAD, amen. What is needed is "Requiem 2". Even if it isn't really a "new Requiem". Even if it is some kind of "roll back" to some point when it was (semi) acceptable and had a (semi) healthy population, because obviously at that point a lot more people found it attractive to play.

 

Get it to that point, set that point as zero point. But before you do that have a plan, a good plan, of what to do next. Little by little. Start FIXING crap. Then maybe, just maybe, there will be some results, and people will start to believe again, and people will start coming back, and people will start having a good time again, without feeling being TOTALLY fooled, betrayed and "skinned" and will maybe invest their time and effort again.

 

It is the only way, you know it, we all know it, Helium knows it. Everything else is "philosophy" and fairy tales.


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Posted 31 August 2015 - 05:05 AM

Please wake up.

Your job your responsibility.

Helium is a big boy and knew exactly what is he getting in to, also if he is as good as he claims to be, should just take his resume and apply for a suitable job for him.

There are crapload of publishers hiring CM,GM developers....employees.

Do the job right you get rewarded/stimulated, screw it up and face the consequences, I'm sorry but that is how life works.


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Posted 31 August 2015 - 06:22 AM

Eh, people still defending Helium?

Seriously?

If after 5+ years you cant see that Helium is not helpful to the game, then you are just blind.

The man had his PM function TURNED OFF so that he did not have to listen to the players.

The man has allowed 40% hp to STAY in the mall!

The man has allowed CMs to stay in the mall instead of being turned into event 3 hour item like it used to be.

This is the man that doesn't even know that 3% Xeons come from S1.

This is a man who just suggested adding AGRO to SHIELD BASH. A skill that doesn't even WORK ON BOSSES.

He is the one who said that S1 belts never had -atkspeed.

 

How can anyone defend him? Just because he pokes his head in here every once in a while, posts some utter nonsense and then vanishes?

 

Oh you defend him because he is a middleman? That does not mean that he is excused from talking to the community and not bull-_-ting every other word.

 

This is a man who is actively trying to kill the community. And he is doing a good job at it. Do not defend him. There is no defense for what he does.


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Posted 01 September 2015 - 12:50 AM

but he is the only one left who willingly attempts to take care of requiem - we won't get anyone else untill this game closes it's doors.

and constantly posting about how he is incompetent and should quit his job wont make make him go away or anything better.
 

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There's a very old and wise saying in germany: "Wer <snip> will muss freundlich sein" / "Who wants to <snip> must be friendly" :hmm:

 

Edit by Popcorn: Please refrain from using foul language on the forums, even by bypassing the word filter or using a foreign language. Thanks.


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#19 purenegativity

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Posted 01 September 2015 - 02:29 AM

but he is the only one left who willingly attempts to take care of requiem 

Where? where do you see any TAKING CARE of requiem?

I see him making random posts PRETENDING to take care of requiem.

I dont see any ACTUAL taking care of.

Any ACTUAL taking care of would have removed the 40% HP 7 months ago.

Any ACTUAL taking care of would increase drop rate for everything including RED xeons.

Like i have said multiple times, there are plenty of ways to make the players HAPPIER without a lot of work.

Plenty of ways to ATTEMPT to take care of requiem. AND SUCCEED!

 

And then there is Heliums way.

 

And yes Leash, him getting fired or quitting would probably close up the game. Which at this point is not a terrible idea.

I mean take a look at VMODS event.

5 spots per server. Trifri got only 4, NOVA GOT 1!!!!!!!!

That right there is a PERFECT example of how many players are left in the game. 

It even shows that people are too lazy to multi log.


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