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[SoulSight]

sigeel : what hardware? May i know?

[sigeel]

i just showed in the previous post o.o

 

joystick (gamepad)

[SoulSight]

 

joystick (gamepad)

Money again     Money!!!

[sigeel]

Money again     Money!!!

 

sadly it either that or your fingers :/

 

i choose my fingers anytime.

[sean718]

Since I've started playing this game there has not been a notification or illicit ban with using a gamepad or a keyboard with macro features. 3rd party programs are the exception where they override game mechanics. 

 

3rd party programs can be considered as specific programs engineered to customize and manipulate game mechanics to gain an unfair advantage. 

 

A turbo controller or a keyboard does not classify as a third party program since it is hardware. 

 

Unless otherwise specified by staff I'm going with what the correct definitions are which are almost universal in majority of MMOs.

 

Furthermore, simply stating that 3rd party programs are prohibited will not deter players from using them. I suggest a client shield be implemented like on previous DS servers. 

[ManItsMike]

Wait, I was always under the impression that setting keyboard macros and turbo controllers we're bannable. What's the final verdict? I figured the rule of thumb is one input = one output.

[sean718]

Wait, I was always under the impression that setting keyboard macros and turbo controllers we're bannable. What's the final verdict? I figured the rule of thumb is one input = one output.

Curious as to how you came to that conclusion since skill macros are implemented in the game (which even include delay time usage) as well as a user friendly interface for customizable gamepad (controller) options.

There are numerous old threads that have existed to help troubleshoot macros and turbo controllers in the past. Again, no ramifications on the user end for using these tools that the game provides and enables. The reason, which many people do not know, that these macros exist is for health reasons. These tools help prevent carpal tunnel syndrome as well as other numerous health issues that can be caused by button mashing games (hint: DS is one). Its also for player comfort.

I stand by my reasoning and statement on this subject. Seeing as how it was never classified a bannable offence in the past, I have no reason to believe otherwise.

[ManItsMike]

Curious as to how you came to that conclusion since skill macros are implemented in the game (which even include delay time usage) as well as a user friendly interface for customizable gamepad (controller) options.

There are numerous old threads that have existed to help troubleshoot macros and turbo controllers in the past. Again, no ramifications on the user end for using these tools that the game provides and enables. The reason, which many people do not know, that these macros exist is for health reasons. These tools help prevent carpal tunnel syndrome as well as other numerous health issues that can be caused by button mashing games (hint: DS is one). Its also for player comfort.

I stand by my reasoning and statement on this subject. Seeing as how it was never classified a bannable offence in the past, I have no reason to believe otherwise.

I was making an assumption based on years of playing various MMOs, and quite a few arcade games (I'm sure many other players here have much more knowledge and experience than I)

A lot of competitors disallow the use of turbo controllers and macros that aren't an official add on, that's where I drew the conclusion from. Anyway, I'd love to know for sure, even though it won't change my playstyle at this point.

The integrated controller settings don't work well for a 360 controller, I can confirm that, though.

[sean718]

An official response would be good.

[ManItsMike]

An official response would be good.

Absolutely, friendo! I should have specified in the first place, eh? Haha. Turn on the microwave and summon Popcorn.

[Popcorn]

An official response would be good.

 

I talked to our support team about this yesterday and got the following information:

 

We dislike every kind of method giving an unfair advantage over others, neither with hardware nor with software based solutions. But we can't stop players from using custom game pads or keyboards and such. 

Unapproved 3rd party tools are generally not allowed (refer to the account policy).

We would appreciate it if you refrain from posting about such things.

 

However I personally agree that the client needs working mechanisms to prevent having advantages by using such kind of hard- and software. This is a thing that should be implemented as soon as client fixes are possible.

[sean718]

I talked to our support team about this yesterday and got the following information:

We dislike every kind of method giving an unfair advantage over others, neither with hardware nor with software based solutions. But we can't stop players from using custom game pads or keyboards and such.
Unapproved 3rd party tools are generally not allowed (refer to the account policy).
We would appreciate it if you refrain from posting about such things.

However I personally agree that the client needs working mechanisms to prevent having advantages by using such kind of hard- and software. This is a thing that should be implemented as soon as client fixes are possible.

I agree to that statement as well, however, unfair advantages can simply range from better computer components, less ping and stronger internet connection and so on. A client fix to physically cap x spams as well as macros could be done. I know of a few disabled players who need macros to play this game at the same level nonphysically disabled players can. That also has to be taken into consideration. I'm not one to argue for the sake of arguing, simply consider as many possibilities and scenarios that different players are likely to experience.

On that note I'll be taking the advice in that statement and halt further discussion about it.

Edited by sean718, 05 September 2015 - 01:05 AM.

[Popcorn]

I know of a few disabled players who need macros to play this game at the same level nonphysically disabled players can.

 

It's common sense that these kind of players are allowed to use tools like this to have the same chances like any other has. These players don't have the intention to use the tools for having unfair advantages, they only want to have the same gaming experience like any other and that's completely understandable (at least in my opinion, but I am sure the support staff shares this opinion).

 

 

 

On that note I'll be taking the advice in that statement and halt further discussion about it.

 

Thank you. We really appreciate this.

[sean718]

Apparently, common sense isn't so common. If you make one thing available for one group, you have to make it available to everyone. What I'm saying has nothing to do with the previous topic, it's a general observation. That statement from support was not directed at me in the least, I'm just taking the advice of my own volition.

[sigeel]

I have hands with a carpal tunnel so to me having a joystick helps very much.

 

if all of you here are talking about advantages in pvp regarding macros and turbo joysticks, i have already said in numerous posts but everybody seems to be ignoring me: make pvp/battlesquare rooms have stat restrictions.(like breeze run caps your mov speed to 200)

If you have capped atk speed lets say 200 in pvp, no macro or turbo joystick can make you shoot ANY faster than your current atk speed.It is just programmed like that in the game.

 

 

[Popcorn]

I have hands with a carpal tunnel so to me having a joystick helps very much.

 

if all of you here are talking about advantages in pvp regarding macros and turbo joysticks, i have already said in numerous posts but everybody seems to be ignoring me: make pvp/battlesquare rooms have stat restrictions.(like breeze run caps your mov speed to 200)

If you have capped atk speed lets say 200 in pvp, no macro or turbo joystick can make you shoot ANY faster than your current atk speed.It is just programmed like that in the game.

 

I never ignore you But here we have the same limitations as for many things at the moment: the client. 

[Zackx23]

I talked to our support team about this yesterday and got the following information:

 

We dislike every kind of method giving an unfair advantage over others, neither with hardware nor with software based solutions. But we can't stop players from using custom game pads or keyboards and such. 

Unapproved 3rd party tools are generally not allowed (refer to the account policy).

We would appreciate it if you refrain from posting about such things.

 

However I personally agree that the client needs working mechanisms to prevent having advantages by using such kind of hard- and software. This is a thing that should be implemented as soon as client fixes are possible.

 

Is there any list of approved 3rd party tools? Back then when I played on gP server I used a PS2/PS3 Controller with Joy2Key (because there wasn't any Pad Setup in the ingame options at that time) because I'm not that good in playing with keyboard (console gamer here) and even in their forum was a thread with a Joy2Key or XPadder guide. Because the ingame Pad Setup sees no difference in Analog stick and D-Pad I still need to use Joy2Key to use all my Gamepad buttons. My question now is: Is Joy2Key an unapproved 3rd party tool and I'm playing against the rules here or is it okay that I play with my PS Controller like I'm used to since my start of Dragon Saga in CB?