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[RainbowRush]

Hi. I'm wondering if it's worth spending time getting abilities up to +10 in general.

 

Particularly I'm wondering for the skill Ambush and Violent blow. I have a lot of cards for amubush, and 1 for Violent blow, as well as having lvl 6 ambush already.

The insurance scrolls seem pretty expensive, and I'm PvEing, atm. Probably won't PvP before level 85, just except a bit for fun.

 

Is it wort all the gold I'll spend, and how much will it cost, approximately?

[flubsy]

For me, it is worth it.  If you know who I am, I'm a lv 60 capped OL/Myrmidon that mainly pvps with helping people dungeon during the day.

 

Ambush does a ton more damage at lv 10 and Violent Blow has a higher stun rate and stun chance at lv 10.  You need 32 cards each to make a skill lv 10.  It takes about 100-125 Monster Insurance Scrolls to lv 10 1 skill.  If you are lucky it could take about 60-80.  That is from my own experience of making several skills lv 10.  I hope this helps.  I'm sure you can do the maths to figure out how much IM that is.

 

Especially if you're planning on going end game, there's no reason not to lv 10 your skills.  There are few skills in the game that I believe are not worth lv 10-ing but in your case of Violent Blow and Ambush, it's worth doing.  Every % of damage matters.

[Bustincaps]

Strictly for PvE, I don't know if the benefits would be substantial enough to be worth it. I mean, if you're trying to max your character, then don't cut corners on your skills, but gear investments should be of a higher priority than skills. Now, if you're going to do a lot of PvP, I'd invest in Rocket Punch (unless you would rather get 3* cash rings or Rocket Punch socket cards for your rings), but you said you're primarily PvE.

[Homurasan]

About that, I'd like to ask if leveling up The dagger throw to 10 is a good idea, even without wanting to play PvP.

[flubsy]

Here is the way I see it.

 

Dagger lv 5 = 80% + 200

 

Dagger lv 10 - 120% + 440

 

(80% + 200) * 7 = 560% + 1400 dmg = 1 throw

 

(120% + 440) * 7 = 840% + 3080 dmg = 1 throw

 

When you crit you do 3 times more than that

 

1680% + 4200 dmg = 1 throw

 

2520% + 9240 dmg = 1 throw

 

So the damage to me is worth it especially since Ninja's crit rate and crit dmg is easily able to reach max 40% and 300%

 

 

Basically if you ever seen a ninja with lv 10 skills versus someone with only lv 5, the amount of damage they output, pvp or pve is a lot less.  

For example, I've seen a ninja with lv 10 skills literally use 1 move to kill Verglas f1.  Fastest farming party I ever joined.  

You might think that small % isn't much, but if you think about the number of hits that it does along with the crit rate that they have per move they perform, it multiplies.

[SoulSight]

Here is the way I see it.

 

Dagger lv 5 = 80% + 200

 

Dagger lv 10 - 120% + 440

 

(80% + 200) * 7 = 560% + 1400 dmg = 1 throw

 

(120% + 440) * 7 = 840% + 3080 dmg = 1 throw

 

When you crit you do 3 times more than that

 

1680% + 4200 dmg = 1 throw

 

2520% + 9240 dmg = 1 throw

 

So the damage to me is worth it especially since Ninja's crit rate and crit dmg is easily able to reach max 40% and 300%

 

Don't go too far!

Final critical rate is 40% of 7 as a standard...it's 2.8 ~ 3

(120% + 440) x 3 x3 (3 successes)  + (120% + 440 ) x4 =  1560% + 5720.

[Agitodesu]

O god, math. I hate math.

[Homurasan]

Actually critical damage doesn't seem to be calculated like this. Not even saying that one forum user here first started a topic about it, and now doesn't even remember...

 

Agito, don't be afraid ! Math actually is enjoyable when being taught or explained by someone who knows how to.

[SoulSight]

it's probability.

[flubsy]

I believe the reason you have variables is due to hitting your min dmg vs your max dmg which might in turn cause your damage output to be different.  

 

also 40% is a chance, there is a possibility of hitting all 7 daggers with crit. 

Edited by flubsy, 26 September 2015 - 09:35 PM.

[Agitodesu]

Maybe adding range on the potential of the dagger with min and max may not cause confusion, Even though we should all agree on that lvl 10 dagger is better than lvl 5 dagger in general.

[SoulSight]

O god, math. I hate math.

 

How much are solar/stella/lunar rings worth without the cost of labor?

 

Here I will explain how much it costs or should I say to make one yourself.

 

Feel free to comment on calculations I will fix them if I find them more accurate or if it becomes outdated.

 

There are 2 ways of building the rings or you can use the other option to quicken the process.

(Note: You will use sadonyx no matter what star fragments are an option)

1. First Is using Sadonyx
2. Second is using star fragments to quicken the farming frenzy.

 

This will be the long route no star fragments.

How many Sadonyx is required to make 2 15*rings without star fragments?(+ 1 14* ring leftover)

 

The answer is 10,080 Sadonyx = 10,080 Gold

• ​Quick Math- just cause I gotta show some work 
• 1 Sadonyx = 1 Gold
• 10,080 Sadonyx= 10,080 Gold

 

How many perfect hunches are required to make a set of rings without star fragments?

(Note you buy the 60 pack for 200IM)(Buying 100 for 500IM is pure brain damage)

• Quick Math- Perfect Hunch to IM ratio
• 60 Perfect Hunches = 200 IM
• [200 Im] / [60 Perfect Hunches] = 3.33 IM for 1 Perfect Hunch
• 100 Perfect Hunches= 500 IM
• [500 Im] / [100 Perfect Hunches] = 5 IM for 1 Perfect Hunch
• in Conclusion, buying 60 perfect hunches for 200 IM is the BEST choice.

 

The answer is 10,500 Perfect Hunches = 35,000 IM = 140,000 Gold(1:4) or 175,000 Gold(1:5)

• Quick Math- 420 Runs= [2 15* rings]
• 25 Perfect Hunches are needed to complete an F6 mode for all rings
• [25 Perfect Hunches] x [420 Runs] = [10,500 Perfect Hunches] to get all 420 rings

 

How much does it cost to make a pair of 15* rings now?

 

The Answer is 150,080 Gold to 185,080 Gold

• Quick Math-
• [10,080 Gold] + [140,000 Gold] = [150,080 Gold] For [2 15* Rings]
• [10,080 Gold] + [175,000 Gold] = [185,080 Gold] For [2 15* Rings]

 

 

The problem here now is that we only have 2 15* rings. If you spend 10,080 gold more per set of ring you can get yourself more 15* rings.

 

How much does it cost to make a pair of Solar/Stella/Lunar 15* ring?

 

Total Gold: 170,240 Gold to 205,240 Gold

• Quick Math-
• [10,080 Gold x 3 Pairs] + [140,000 Gold] = [170,240 Gold]
• [10,080 Gold x 3 Pairs] + [140,000 Gold] = [205,240 Gold]

 

Divide that however you want to get the price on a ring.

Example:(170,240gold/6 rings)= 28373.33 Gold per ring!

 

Wow! That's so cheap right? Wrong. 

We know that no one buys lunar rings.(besides myself It's common sense to toss out the lunars)

 

How much is a Solar/Stella worth then If you toss out the Lunars?(Poor Lunars :<)

 

Total Gold: 160,160 Gold to 195,160 Gold.

• Quick Math-
• [10,080 Gold x 2 Pairs] + [140,000 Gold] = [160,160 Gold]
• [10,080 Gold x 2 Pairs] + [140,000 Gold] = [195,160 Gold]

 

Divide that by 4 and we get the individual price.

• Quick Math-
• [160,160 Gold] / [4] = [40,040 Gold] Per Ring
• [195,160 Gold] / [4] = [48,790 Gold] Per Ring

 

Question? Why is it in the market for 100,000 Gold each for a solar ring or 50,000 Gold for a stella?

The answer is demand+Labor. Many people if offered the choice to get a free pair of rings would choose Solars. Then Stellas. Then the poop lunars.

This is why solars are more expensive than stellas and stellas being more expensive than lunars

 

 

With Star Fragments!

 

How many sadonyx do you need to get a pair of 15* rings?

 

The answer is 10,080 Sadonyx! Its the same if you haven't noticed. 10,080 Gold

 

How many star fragments do you need to get a pair of rings?

 

The answer is 300 star fragments per pair. 150 Gold to 250 Gold each. Total: 45,000 Gold to 75,000 Gold

• Quick math- 420 rings= [2 15* rings]
• Farm 240 runs = [240 3* rings] + [240 2* rings] + [240 1* rings]
• [240 1* rings] converts into [120 2* rings]   (1 Star fragment to convert [2 1* rings] into [1 2* ring]) cost= 120 Star Fragments
• [240 2* rings]+[120 2* rings]=[360 2* rings]
• [360 2* rings] converts into [180 3* rings]   (1 Star fragment to convert [2 2* rings] into [1 3* ring]) costs 180 Star Fragments
• [180 3* rings]+[240 3* rings]= [420 3* rings]
• In conclusion, 300 star fragments are needed to get the set of rings in 240 runs. The other method takes 420 runs and more IM since you need more perfect hunches.

 

How many Perfect Hunches do you need?

 

The answer is 6000 perfect hunches= 10,000 IM = 40,000 Gold(1:4) to 50,000 Gold(1:5)

• Quick Math- 25 Perfect Hunches are needed to complete 1 run of F6 mode.
• [25 PH] x [240 runs] = 6000 Perfect Hunches to complete 240 runs.

How much gold does it cost to make a pair of rings?

 

The answer is 95,080 Gold to 135,080 Gold

• Quick Math-
• [10,080 Gold] + [45,000 Gold] + [40,000 Gold] = [95,080 Gold] for [2 15* Rings]
• [10,080 Gold] + [75,000 Gold] + [50,000 Gold] = [135,080 Gold] for [2 15* Rings]

 

How much does it cost to make a pair of Solars and Stellas only?

 

The answer is 150,160 Gold to 220,160 Gold

 

• Quick Math-
• [10,080 Gold x 2 pairs] + [45,000 Gold x 2] + [40,000 Gold] = [150,160 Gold]
• [10,080 Gold x 2 pairs] + [75,000 Gold x 2] + [50,000 Gold] = [220,160 Gold]

Now I will let you know ahead of time, If you are about to spend gold and sadonyx on lunars to get all 3 this way, it's a trap.

Do not under any circumstance spend 300 star fragments and 10,080 sadonyx on lunars. 

 

Conclusion-

Star fragments save a lot of time, and it is cheaper if you can find it for a good price and buy IM at a cheap rate.

I will make a final comparison so you guys can decide on how much gold you are putting into these rings.

AGAIN- This is not taking account for the labor, This is very time consuming and a lot of farming thus making it cost way more than it actually is!

 

This is based on if you farm solars and stellas. No lunars.

• ​How much is a solar ring or Stella ring worth? Runs are assumed 9 Minutes per run, time may vary.
• No star fragments- [40,040 Gold] To [48,790 Gold]        Total of :420 F6 Runs= 3780 minutes= 63 Hours (Bleh)
• With Star Fragments- [37,540 Gold] To [55,040 Gold]   Total of: 240 F6 Runs= 2160 Minutes= 36 Hours (Wow saves time!)

One more thing- Solars are worth more than Stellas. Expect stellas to cost a lot less and Solars to be crazy expensive.

 

 

Answers from questions I got.

 

How much is 1 [14* ring]?

 

Approximately 50,000 Gold

 

Quick Math:

• 150,000 Gold = 2 [15* ring]
• 2 [15* ring] = 3 [14* ring]
• 3 [14* ring] = 150,000 Gold
• Divide by 3 since you have 3 rings.
• 150,000/3 = 50,000 gold per ring.

 

What have you done?

[Agitodesu]

Nothing relating to math.

[zharulrock]

how many hits ambush at lvl 10? anyone can tell?