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[idonothaveanname]

In your opinion what would be the best Katar for MVPing at 175?

I know a Chakram + AK cards + sin cuff with fighting spirit or aspd enchants is a good choice.

Are there any other good options?

My GX has lv10 DA so MVPing DD doesn't seem like the best option for me. I have a 2nd GX that will be crit DD with lv5 DA.

But I still want to have fun with my soon to be 175 trying my hardest . Currently accumulating all my crit gears.

[Khaioz]

In your opinion what would be the best Katar for MVPing at 175?

I know a Chakram + AK cards + sin cuff with fighting spirit or aspd enchants is a good choice.

Are there any other good options?

My GX has lv10 DA so MVPing DD doesn't seem like the best option for me. I have a 2nd GX that will be crit DD with lv5 DA.

But I still want to have fun with my soon to be 175 trying my hardest . Currently accumulating all my crit gears.

 

Chakram is good I guess
Better have 2 fs enchants
But in case you have insufficient aspd, 1 fs and 1 aspd would do, don't do 2 aspd

Other than that, people just use Thanatos Katar

[idonothaveanname]

I thought Thanatos was bad for crits?

It's great for leveling but I had no idea people used it for MVPing.

Edited by idonothaveanname, 04 October 2015 - 04:33 PM.

[Khaioz]

I thought Thanatos was bad for crits?

It's great for leveling but I had no idea people used it for MVPing.

 

People use it for both purpose
Leveling while MVPing
Ex: in NCT

[ShinKokuryuu]

Personally I think thanatos with AK card would be a great katar for general mvp-ing. RC damage would be good, and crits wouldn't be too bad either, though more variance in damage.

My +9 hunterfly carded thana's crits only did a little less than my +7 double AK FS 5/5 chakram +sincuffs (around 2~3k less in edp?) on the academy eggs.

Thana katar frees up your accessory slots, only requires 1 card and no enchanting, and the high weapon atk makes it good for pretty much any katar build, and sometime the small leech effect may come in handy. Many reasons to use it.

[idonothaveanname]

I see, thanks for the feedback! I'm currently a RC build but when it comes to agi up MVPs I'm kinda screwed with my build. So I'd like to switch things up and respec when I'm 175. I'll make a thana katar and throw an AK card in it. That would save me a lot of zeny in the long run.

[ShinobiEX3]

Or a turtle gen just saying

[Ashuckel]

AK is 25% stronger than TG

[LiteAdi]

AK is 25% stronger than TG

thx ashuckle to answer my question before ask

[Ashuckel]

If anyone is confused about this, its pretty simple. 25% of 20 is 5, AK has 25% bonus while TG has 20%, regardless being boss dmg or atk% they are in the same calculation category so it doesnt matter.

[jamdonutjam]

or you could use a sharp10 chakram + kobold sin cuff in the meantime? takes a while to 175

[Akupuff]

For MVP'ing, I use +12 Thanatos Katar [AK] and it works wonders. Damage on RC can get insane (+100k RC on certain MVP's) and Crits are not bad (~15k crits with minimal buffs on Eddga), so as a hybrid, I really like it. Way cheaper than a Chakram and it covers both options really well. Also, CRS can get super awesome with EA gears and the new GX armor I need one to test, though :v 

[ShinobiEX3]

so its just 5% difference. Ill rather use TG since most mvps has mobs and the AK effect wont work on the mobs just the mvp itself.

 

[Necrohealiac]

what mvp mobs have so much hp that the 5% dmg actually make a difference for you?

[ShinobiEX3]

what mvp mobs have so much hp that the 5% dmg actually make a difference for you?

Only difference is i kill it a bit faster thats all >.>

[Necrohealiac]

AK makes it so the mvp dies faster. the trash mobs usually die in one hit so having a TG is pointless. and if they're tough slave mobs like Ifrit's, those are boss flagged in the first place so AK would be better for that too.

[beaupoem]

5% more dmg and less than 1/100 the price? I'd go with that

[Akupuff]

so its just 5% difference. Ill rather use TG since most mvps has mobs and the AK effect wont work on the mobs just the mvp itself.

 

The most common MVP's with strong mobs are MVP's you're probably killing with DD Crit and that is if you're even going against them. And even then, they are boss too! Valk's mini-Valk are boss, Salamander and Kasa are boss, Morroc's Spawns are Boss, Hell Flies are Boss, Malandgo boss' mobs are Boss, heck, even Bio3/4 boss' mobs are boss.

 

Other mobs like Egnigem's, Gloom's, Fallen Bishop's will drop to 1-2 Rolling Cutters anyway. There is literally no reason to use TG over AK in katars vs MVP's.

[Ashuckel]

Nowadays everything is becoming boss flaged like lol, AK all the way :3

TG would be better on Purple Dragon indeed, go for it!

Edited by Ashuckel, 05 October 2015 - 12:47 PM.

[ShinobiEX3]

AK makes it so the mvp dies faster. the trash mobs usually die in one hit so having a TG is pointless. and if they're tough slave mobs like Ifrit's, those are boss flagged in the first place so AK would be better for that too.

 

 

The most common MVP's with strong mobs are MVP's you're probably killing with DD Crit and that is if you're even going against them. And even then, they are boss too! Valk's mini-Valk are boss, Salamander and Kasa are boss, Morroc's Spawns are Boss, Hell Flies are Boss, Malandgo boss' mobs are Boss, heck, even Bio3/4 boss' mobs are boss.

 

Other mobs like Egnigem's, Gloom's, Fallen Bishop's will drop to 1-2 Rolling Cutters anyway. There is literally no reason to use TG over AK in katars vs MVP's.

 

 

Nowadays everything is becoming boss flaged like lol, AK all the way :3

TG would be better on Purple Dragon indeed, go for it!

I read what u all are saying it sounds on point and i agree with u. BUT id rather use TG ^.^

[LiteAdi]

I read what u all are saying it sounds on point and i agree with u. BUT id rather use TG ^.^

Bro i love ur determination

[fuyukikun]

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[ShinobiEX3]

I read what u all are saying it sounds on point and i agree with u. BUT id rather use TG ^.^

 

 

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Tu tu ru yup im determined and try to stay consistant.

 

[Osum]

This is kinda related. I tried seeing if Chakrams beat Thana Katar for auto-attacking. My math is correct, right?

 

For a +9 Thana Katar w/ AK, (220 + 63 ) * 1.4 * 1.25 = 495

For a +9 Chakram w/ 1 FS5 and 2 AK, (130 +10 + 45+18) * 1.4 * 1.4 (sin cuff) * 1.50 = 596

 

And the chakram goes higher if it has more than 2 FS enchants. 

 

 

That's right, right? I'm not sure how the "variance" in overupgrades work though.

[DeadIntern]

This is kinda related. I tried seeing if Chakrams beat Thana Katar for auto-attacking. My math is correct, right?

 

For a +9 Thana Katar w/ AK, (220 + 63 ) * 1.4 * 1.25 = 495

For a +9 Chakram w/ 1 FS5 and 2 AK, (130 +10 + 45+18) * 1.4 * 1.4 (sin cuff) * 1.50 = 596

 

And the chakram goes higher if it has more than 2 FS enchants. 

 

 

That's right, right? I'm not sure how the "variance" in overupgrades work though.

 

Pretty sure the highlighted part will be 1.8 instead (crit damage modifier stacks additively).

 

And FS enchants contribute towards Equipment Atk, not Weapon Atk. That means two things:

1. It's less affected by EDP (x4 instead of x5 multiplier)

2. It won't contribute to the STR ATK bonus (Weapon Atk can be increased through STR bonus, i.e. Weapon Base Atk * STR / 200). So a 100 STR GX with a +9 Thana Katar will (should) get an additional 283 x 100 / 200 = 141 Weapon Atk. While a 100 STR GX with a +9 Chakram FS7/7 will (should) only get an additional 175 x 100 / 200 = 87 Weapon Atk.

 

Those weapon atk will in turn, gets amplified further by EDP and Crit modifier.  So I guess Thana is still a better option.

 

* I put a (should), because I have a 120 STR GX myself, and I find its additional damage as compared to a 1 STR GX (when I stat reset) to be not that high :\

Edited by DeadIntern, 10 November 2015 - 08:58 PM.