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#1 Xellie

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Posted 03 November 2015 - 10:32 PM

Threads like this...

 

https://forums.warpp...-brewing/page-3

 

Threads like these get bumped because there is never an official answer. All topics related to legitimacy of third party programs etc are usually locked, archived or deleted.

 

Please assemble this information somewhere easy to link to. This thread can be re-purposed for it if necessary

 

Stances on

 

- RCX / simplehook

- Autohotkey/macro keyboard/mouse functions

- GRF edits (where is the line drawn)

- Botting / autofeeding

 

We need an official statement. This is an official request. And not one that is unpinned, with the answer half way through and locked because the mods won't deal with people being silly.


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Posted 03 November 2015 - 10:34 PM

Question 1:
Can we get a sticky thread in RO1 Community Chat that clearly and definitively states with no room for questions what is and is not allowed by iRO1 rules and WP policy? For all the drama and bending surrounding the "rules" in iRO and the surprise news that graymaps and minimaps are legal, we still don't have a singular to-the-point rulebook to refer to for information. Besides the WP Terms of Service document, we only have random scattered posts (some of which are now hidden) and PM snippets to try and guess what is and is not allowed.

Yes

With a bit more whining, crying, screaming, trolling, and maybe some ransacking on the side we'll finally get one.

(I agree completely with you, Xellie.)

Edited by kingarthur6687, 03 November 2015 - 10:35 PM.

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#3 Xellie

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Posted 03 November 2015 - 10:45 PM

I never follow the tiki threads so I didn't know you had asked. I just saw the necro'd thread on the front of the archive today and it reminded me that I KEEP asking for this (see my sig).

 

I am tired of making public threads to point people to because ppl ask me... Lets just have a rule thread like this one:

http://forum.ragnaro...2-ingame-rules/


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Posted 03 November 2015 - 11:04 PM

i want to know the AUTO FEEDING :rice:


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Posted 03 November 2015 - 11:19 PM

if we had euro's rules i think the mass bans would leave classic/renewal empty l0l

would be nice 2 have it on the website 2


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Posted 04 November 2015 - 01:10 AM

I need enlightenment on the gray world edit.


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Posted 04 November 2015 - 03:58 AM

Yeah, had to bookmark/print-screen each official answer at different post/thread.

unlimited zoom hack
http://forums.warppo...-7#entry1652747

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https://forums.warpp...edits-and-3pps/


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Posted 04 November 2015 - 04:07 AM

i want to know the AUTO FEEDING :rice:

 

https://en.wikipedia...ki/Feeding_tube


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Posted 04 November 2015 - 04:24 AM

Wow do europe RO has something like Gramps TI? LOL

9.Bug Abuse / Malfunction Exploit
The usage of a game bug / malfunction for benefit.
Proof required: Screenshot(s)
Sanction: 1 Month to Permanent


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Posted 04 November 2015 - 07:48 AM

if we had euro's rules i think the mass bans would leave classic/renewal empty l0l

would be nice 2 have it on the website 2

 

obviously Classic is too far gone for euRO rules. If we had them (enforced) from the start the population on Classic might be higher. For everyone that quits because someone reports someone, there's 3~4 people who quit over bs/unfairness.

 

The point is, we need expectations to be held to. Same case on the forums - it's hard following invisible rules.


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Posted 04 November 2015 - 07:58 AM

I need enlightenment on the gray world edit.

 

Sorry man, I deleted my thread asking about it because I thought it was sort of embarrassing how the community devolved it into guild drama (and the staff let it happen). But from what I recall....

 

- Grey texture is fine

- minimaps are allowed

- mini barricades are possibly allowed because the GM team didn't care when they were reported as in the example of that video. So here's the tricky part. Campitor said no editing of npcs/monsters but the example set before us says different....

 

Now. time to be "that guy". I think these things are great. (well not the npc /mob editting) however - unless an official... or unofficially official source for these edits is provided I don't think they should be allowed.

 

And here's why

 

GRF editting is annoying. You have to download this and that and find out what is needed and google around and research it. Cue people coming in saying just google it, it's easy. Fine but they've done it for years.

Its very easy to mess up your GRF, cause sprite issues and errors and disconnects. It's also easy to stumble across edits that add untoward things along with ok things.

 

For example there's a nice minimal effect pack out there with a diff colours cursor. But it also has all mvps as satan morroc/no attack animations on most classes.

 

People will find these things either by accident or on purpose.

 

So i propose an officially endorsed edit pack. otherwise it really should be discouraged.

 

 


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Posted 04 November 2015 - 09:53 AM

i know someone who use auto feed :P


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Posted 04 November 2015 - 01:09 PM

I knkw dozens of ppl
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Posted 05 November 2015 - 09:19 AM

YOOOOOOOOOOOOO


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Posted 06 November 2015 - 05:37 AM

Once a day every day a bump until I get home (or 20 upvotes on the OP, whichever comes first) - then I will just compile a list based on my experiences and post it somewhere so the community members stop having this discussion with eachother


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Posted 07 November 2015 - 09:29 AM

We are never gonna be answered.


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Posted 07 November 2015 - 10:23 AM

let the folks have their weekend... I can assemble all available information if needed and just shove it under their nose and be like "is this right"?


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Posted 07 November 2015 - 09:52 PM

Stop avoiding this '-.-


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Posted 07 November 2015 - 10:35 PM

Looks like GM's plead the 5th on this one. 


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Posted 07 November 2015 - 11:00 PM

TO AUTO FEED w/o  breaking the rules use below:

 

the rules state you cant use 3rd party program,

 

but if you invest in a gaming keyboard that can memorize and perform macros, like clicking then that is valid and legal.

 

so now time to find that 100dollar plus keyboard where you can program buttons and clicks!


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Posted 07 November 2015 - 11:55 PM

The moment they catch you AFK with a macro going, they're gonna banhammer you.
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Posted 07 November 2015 - 11:58 PM

They shouldn't bann you for keyboard macroing. I've been playing the game for years and this issue has been brought up, for potting as alchemists or something else.

 

If the stances have changed then I'm wrong.

 

Back then the question was asked are macro keyboarding allowed.... and the answer is yes because its not a 3rd party program.

 

 

In fact,  a few people on Kro Are leveling with their macro keyboards. Its on a you tube video. That's not to say warpportal cant change their minds.

 

In the video...  a static macro  party is casting dragon breath, mental sense, buffs, and cousel heals at a wall, while auto macro keyboard chars back slide mob slowly and also perform commands to change the direction the mobbing chars face and continue to backslide , since the monster respawns in a short period of time.

 

 

The Question is ... how does a GM know you are  keyboard macroing and not 3rd party macroing.


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Posted 08 November 2015 - 12:00 AM

Incidentally, posts like the couple above are exactly why we need an official rules thread.
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Posted 08 November 2015 - 12:26 AM

https://youtu.be/0-NqJ3Uz2Kw?t=152

afk leveling 4 every1 in kro


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Posted 08 November 2015 - 03:41 AM

https://youtu.be/0-NqJ3Uz2Kw?t=152

afk leveling 4 every1 in kro

 

that is unreal. And doesn't look very fun for the overall game atmosphere

 

 

Incidentally, posts like the couple above are exactly why we need an official rules thread.

 

Yup!

 

 

 

They shouldn't bann you for keyboard macroing. I've been playing the game for years and this issue has been brought up, for potting as alchemists or something else.

 

If the stances have changed then I'm wrong.

 

Back then the question was asked are macro keyboarding allowed.... and the answer is yes because its not a 3rd party program.

 

 

In fact,  a few people on Kro Are leveling with their macro keyboards. Its on a you tube video. That's not to say warpportal cant change their minds.

 

In the video...  a static macro  party is casting dragon breath, mental sense, buffs, and cousel heals at a wall, while auto macro keyboard chars back slide mob slowly and also perform commands to change the direction the mobbing chars face and continue to backslide , since the monster respawns in a short period of time.

 

 

The Question is ... how does a GM know you are  keyboard macroing and not 3rd party macroing.

 

So here's the basic of it. You can macro but you need to be able to pass a bot test. They can't tell if you're using a bot, or a keyboard or ahk - so the general rule is "be present".

 

That's been my understanding for the past 10 or so years. Unfortunately not everyone has that experience behind them.


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