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#51 Feuer

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Posted 05 December 2015 - 08:52 AM

This has got to be one of the worst replys I have had yet, it's like repeating the same thing over and over. 

 

Here's the facts

 

  •  80% of level 230 players in this game botted their way there
  • Spamming aoe by hand isn't fun
  • There are pretty much no partys going these days without botters as it is.
  • Take the botters away there will be no partys what so ever

 

Like it or not those botters are what keep rose going, just because you object because you can't always get into a party that's not their problem, you should mind your own business, they aren't hurting you, you're just jealous because you're not wise enough to get that same advantage by setting one up yourself.

 

I mean i'm talking from the point of view that will keep rose going, you say a big community doesn't matter? You're wrong. Without a big community there is less people buying item mall and Premium, without that they won't profit from the game, if they aren't profiting from the game then the game shuts down. 

 

Big community doesn't matter? lmao are you okay? do you need some help or? 

 

Let that sink in before you reply because I don't want to read another answer provided with the same thing over and over, that isn't even backed by any reasons or examples. Your answer is fully opinion, and not at all factual. 

 

"80% of level 230 players in this game botted their way there"

Let's add some more detail to this.

Wheres your data to support this oddly even and specific '80%' figure? 

The claim that a large volume [majority or not] of players in the game botted at some point or another, is most likely true, but only if you're counting players who joined the game approximately July 2009. Oddly specific but it's due to the fact that in July 2008, ROSE Evo went Free2Play. It took about a year for the botting + multiclient to catch on in a serious fashion. So for the first 4.5 years of ROSES life [almost 1/2 of the time since it's inception] Botting didn't really exist in any meaningful fashion. 

So if you want to say
"I'd assume that 80% or so of players that are level 230 and have joined ROSE since 2009 or later, have botted t one point or another" Then I would agree. But a large volume of players also Don't~ bot.

 

"Spamming AoE isn't fun"

You're right, it's not fun. That's why a party of active players don't do that. They roam, party quest, hunt bosses and bounce between spawns to optimize their exp gain.

 

"There are pretty much no partys going on these days without botters as it is"

Which is related to 2 factors.

1: A lack of enforcement of the rules

2: A lack of questing and party functions at certain level ranges.

They're solving fact 1 right now.

Fact 2 comes into play, that once their no choice but to actively play the game, more and more people will get involved in proposing quest ideas and content for the zones that lack content.

There is after-all a quest proposals section, and several quests have been implemented from those suggestions. This more strict enforcement of the rules will encourage more participation in that area, as with the current botting play-sttyle, there was a lack of interest in it because they just avoided the issue all together. Now, it can be properly addressed.

 

"Take the botters away and there will be no partys what so ever."

For the first 4.5 years there was hardly any botting, and many many people still got high level or level cap and enjoyed the game. History of ROSE has already told us that this is a lie. The only people who will give up are the people who want an 'easy button' for gaming. Once this enforcement catches on, people who enjoy active play will invite more players, and the game could potentially grow in population over it. So, it's a change out of the demographics of who plays ROSE. Less laziness, more dedication from players. This might also result in more player referrals to the game.  

 

"Like it or not botters are what keeps ROSE going"

No, botters are what keeps ROSE going in the direction it's currently headed. And with the massive amount of 'the game is boring' complaints, a change of direction and methodology is what we need. 

 

"You say a big community doesn't matter"

No one single person has ever said that, and the staff doesn't advocate that thought process either. In fact, botting doesn't have ANY effect on the number of players in the game, it only affects the number of characters* in the game. There's a big difference between number of players, and number of characters. A difference that get's lost in a gray area quite often. The number of people in a community, is not linked to the number of characters created. We know this by simply looking at the free premium events. Character creation sky rockets, but WP account registration hardly moves unless someone hit their maximum ROSE registered account limit.

 

"I don't want to read another answer provided with the same thing over and over, that isn't even backed by any reasons or examples."

Where is your factual backed information at? I mean, I argued based on past historical events of ROSE, and the direct results following those. Facts that can be checked on the Wiki and game review sites. As well as meta and dynamic changes that occurred from game mechanic changes. You're just arguing pro-botting by using threats of player loss, when the data supports that bot-banning will people of one mind-set and replace them with players of a new mind-set. It evens itself out and ends up creating a new more engaging environment. 

 

So why don't you let that sink in for a moment, cause I'm tired of reading doom-sayer posts when the real fact is bots have only been around actively for 1/2 of ROSES lifetime, and it did BETTER numbers and activity without them [also proven by fact checking the Wiki and Business numbers]. 


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#52 angeltje

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Posted 05 December 2015 - 09:06 AM

I started in 2012 and then i didnt saw this much bots as we have now. Just saying xD.
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#53 Dragonlark

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Posted 05 December 2015 - 09:30 AM

This policy is in regards to macro use as well. Please know that if you are using macros to bot, even if they are attended it will be treated as a third party program with the same repercussions.

 

Does this include macros in other areas?  Macros for potting red potions?  Macros for buffs?  

 

I know you said it does not include macros for crafting but what about the others?

 

Just trying to clarify.  I was asked the question and don't want anyone caught off guard.

 

Please know this refers to players using any auto pilot macros, even if it is just being used for crafting or potting. This has been updated on Botting FAQ as well and the Knowledge Base. 

 

At this time I will be locking this thread.  If you have a suggestion or proposal for the game, please create a thread in the Proposal and Suggestions forum. If you have a question about the updated policy, send me a PM and I'll be happy to clarify. 


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