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[Kadelia]

Lower amounts of AGI like 40 are also useful for lower 'animation delay' when you're standing in magic strings

[Rodec]

i was looking for a card to put in the armor, is   dame of  sentinel (or whatever is her name) card any good for rebel?

[RYUSEISHOUKEN]

Adds DEX based on VIT stat (18 VIT per 1 DEX).  Basically you'll get up too 5 DEX @ 90 VIT which is probably the most you wanna invest

[xotolito]

For the best damage:

+12 Eddga(not aplicable for Slug Shot)/+9 EMH with DE dex4
BDM[DE dex4]
Well Chewed Pencil

Brynhild
Weapon that you gonna use, i dont need to mention upgrades right? Better carded with racials/boss for more damage.

+9 FAW ea10 Menblatt
+8~13 Hero Silverleather Boots[DE dex4]
2x RWC rings DEX3 ATK6%, carded with DE dex4or G.Scaraba

Physical Shadow Set, Dex Shadow Armor, Racial/Boss Shield+Boots. Mid atk1%, Low Hit1, Top Dex1/Creative Convention/BR Twin Ribbons

 

Sorry, I haven't played in a while and I'm not sure what you mean by "DE dex4", is this some new enchant, or just one I'm obviously unaware of? Can someone shed light on what this "DE" refers to? 

[Ashuckel]

Darklord Essence Concentration3 (dex+4)

[xotolito]

Thanks a lot, sorry to ask a question like that but I was away for 6 months so i missed a lot of content

[Acrobaleno]

Hi guys, I've been looking in the irowiki db about faceworm skin but there's nothing about the equipment that gives dex. May I ask what equipment are you talking about?

[Silvianna]

http://ragial.com/it...al/UNhhR043O7uM

 

not the highest but should be this kind of pattern, also look for the slotted one

[EinZweiDrei]

which skills are most reliable for boss killing?

Edited by EinZweiDrei, 06 January 2016 - 09:15 PM.

[xotolito]

Slug Shot does around 220k for me, (thats with DD gatekeeper, only 107 so I haven't tried with death fire yet). I imagine with better gears than what I have, you could do a lot more damage. This was with using the XH shell, which is sold by the vending machine in the room where you job change to Rebel, there's a vending machine. The only thing is these are extremely heavy as the name implies, even with heavy lifter I couldn't hold many of them. 

 

With lex and better gears, this skill could hit very hard. There may be other options but I think slug shot could work very nicely as mvp killer. I wouldn't try using this skill without phen card, the cast time seems very slow. I haven't tried with heat barrel yet, but I would wear phen when using this just to be safe. 

Edited by xotolito, 07 January 2016 - 05:10 AM.

[Ashuckel]

Slug Shot is 90% variable( 9 s, +1s fixed). High dex and int do more for the skill cast. As for mvp killer, the issue is you have to hit the mvps :v. Some shotguns have hit penalty + the skill also receives hit penalty for ever cell away from the target. it can do some pretty high dmg yes, but its use is kinda limited and hard.

[KirinKishi808]

something just crossed my mind, bring alt merchant/bs/alchem etc to carry all those heavy slug shot ammo. Whenever you need a refill, just throw it on the ground

 

Slug Shot + gene + Sera's PainKiller = Robocop + no more weight issue

Edited by KirinKishi808, 07 January 2016 - 09:51 AM.

[Necrohealiac]

if ur gonna bring a gene w/ PK along u might as well just kill the mvp with the gene

[Ashuckel]

^ said everything

[EinZweiDrei]

hm... putting some str might actually be a good idea. those slug shots seem really heavy and even dragon tails can be quite weighty.
i don't think heavy lifter boxes alone will be enough.

[Ashuckel]

every 4 str = 1 more slug shot ammo :v

[EinZweiDrei]

maybe dragon tail is a better MVP killing option? lol
so how is this for pvm mvp build?

 

[Ashuckel]

dragon tail misses as well :v

[EinZweiDrei]

godd4mn are they only for pvm? and for killing low agi builds in pvp.

Edited by EinZweiDrei, 07 January 2016 - 02:36 PM.

[Acrobaleno]

godd4mn are they only for pvm? and for killing low agi builds in pvp.

 

I heard Binding Trap does 30% damage with lex based on current hp of monster. Maybe you could try that.

[xotolito]

I have a question, kinda noob question

 

So, earlier in the thread someone said the agi in most builds I've seen is for auto attacking, does aspd affect your ability to spam it? I know there is a small amount of cast delay, but I'm really thinking about resetting agi to 1 in favor of more dex/int/vit I'm trying to test the animation speed with and without awakening potion and I feel like it is a noticeable change, but it could be my imagination. Would higher aspd allow you to spam RT more quickly? Right now its not as much of an issue since everything is a 1-shot, but menblatt is like 4-5 shot for me at 109 (was just curious if I could kill them at all) and I wonder if aspd becomes more valuable as the ability to do damage diminishes in the later levels. 

Edited by xotolito, 07 January 2016 - 09:16 PM.

[Orthogon]

I have a question, kinda noob question

 

So, earlier in the thread someone said the agi in most builds I've seen is for auto attacking, does aspd affect your ability to spam it? I know there is a small amount of cast delay, but I'm really thinking about resetting agi to 1 in favor of more dex/int/vit I'm trying to test the animation speed with and without awakening potion and I feel like it is a noticeable change, but it could be my imagination. Would higher aspd allow you to spam RT more quickly? Right now its not as much of an issue since everything is a 1-shot, but menblatt is like 4-5 shot for me at 109 (was just curious if I could kill them at all) and I wonder if aspd becomes more valuable as the ability to do damage diminishes in the later levels. 

 

ASPD isn't a factor in RT spamming speed unless you have a way to reduce your cast delay (which is 1 second unless you have cast delay reduction gear or magic strings). If you have those, the higher ASPD will cut the number of frames in the skill's animation, which will allow for faster spamming, if I understand how it works correctly.

 

@EinZweiDrei:  That's almost the same build I have for my low agi Rebel, except I have Single Action 9 and Gatling Fever 1, which freed up a few points which I used to get Disarm 5 -> Gunslinger's Panic (which I have heard doesn't work...).  It's a pretty minor difference, I like the build.

Edited by Orthogon, 08 January 2016 - 02:46 AM.

[Ashuckel]

there are 2 differente things, Cast Delay, and Skill Cooldown. Cast delay reduceable by gears and strings, Cooldown can't be reduced by any means except gears with this specific effect.

Round Trip has Skill Cooldown, so you are capped in terms of spamming

[KirinKishi808]

maybe dragon tail is a better MVP killing option? lol
so how is this for pvm mvp build?

 

from the list of the skill you picked, you are not going to have 193 ASPD and depends on DT spamming + other skill maybe?

 

but the problem is, DT have a freakin long CD (5 second) http://irowiki.org/wiki/Dragon_Tail so I dont see how this is going to work. In that 5 second CD what are you going to do? Howling Mine? Slug Shot? or take a short nap?

 

edit: looking at all these make me think Acid Bomb http://irowiki.org/wiki/Acid_Bomb deserve a 5 second CD too. But unfortunately we didnt live in fair world.

 

#nerfacidbomb #justiceforall #expandedclassmatters #geneshouldsticktomakingpotionsonlylikeatruenerd

Edited by KirinKishi808, 08 January 2016 - 09:43 AM.

[b4bads]

I prefer DT + Howling over Slug Shot.

 

Dragon Tail will allow me to hit and run the MVP and use Howling mine while on cool down.

 

Slug Shot have more damage, but can miss a lot and I need to tank the MVP on the process due to cast time.

 

DT has a long cool down, but I prefer that one over the casting time from Slug Shot.