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[spikexp]

just following the pattern of the mora gears here. slotted garments are more useful than slotted boots, so I don't wanna mess w/ that dynamic.

as a mage counterpart i was thinking of a specialized weapon for sorc along with the empowered version of it and go with the armor-footgear-accessory [1] pattern. but hey it's your idea not mine :> it looks awesome as is

[Kadelia]

I don't really like the weapon patterns because a welfare set like this couldn't be allowed to surpass "real" gears individually. Like empoered affection wand pales to glorious cure wand. So we're looking at tsod here and the thought of trying to make a weapon that would be good but also inferior to tsod made me cringe.

[CharAznable]

I think you have to differentiate which option is from having a set and which option is perma on item itself. That garment for sorc especially. I'll use that garment over anything else any day. 35% MATK + 40 MATK + 30% Variable with next to no cost on +9ing it(given that its as easy as acquiring Mora gear) is quite overpowered. 

Edited by CharAznable, 20 January 2016 - 05:24 AM.

[Kadelia]

I think you have to differentiate which option is from having a set and which option is perma on item itself. That garment for sorc especially. I'll use that garment over anything else any day. 35% MATK + 40 MATK + 30% Variable with next to no cost on +9ing it(given that its as easy as acquiring Mora gear) is quite overpowered.

The idea is:
Your build is majorly modified by mastery of any bolts let alone all 3-4. Otherwise its a spell faw without all of faw's other features like neutral resistance, 18 mdef, and card slot.

Edited by Kaddy!, 20 January 2016 - 06:01 AM.

[CharAznable]

The idea is:
Your build is majorly modified by mastery of any bolts let alone all 3-4. Otherwise its a spell faw without all of faw's other features like neutral resistance, 18 mdef, and card slot.

 

having all bolts maxed isn't that hard for PvM build. and FAW without enchant isn't that helpful. I doubt i'd feel much difference between 0 mdef or 18 mdef, or 9% neutral resistance or not. FAW's main feature is having massive MATK with variable casting reduction. and if this gear can be obtained just like Mora Gear, thats 4m + elu per try to get +9 which isn't too hard in my experience. 

 

Comepared to http://db.irowiki.or...tem-info/15042/ Mora set only gives powerful option only when its used in set. Standalone shouldn't be powerful. Having it comparable with FAW alone is way to powerful imo.

[Kadelia]

So you're thinking the garment should be weaker?

Nerfed

Edited by Kaddy!, 20 January 2016 - 09:10 AM.

[CharAznable]

So you're thinking the garment should be weaker?

 
Options themselves were fine with me.

Spoiler

Elemental Wield Cloak
A cloak made from a strange material laced with gold and multi-colored gemstones, which possesses the powers of the elements.

INT +3, MATK +10.

 

If [Fire Bolt] is mastered, MATK +5%.
If [Cold Bolt] is mastered, MATK +5%.
If [Lightning Bolt] is mastered, MATK +5%.
If [Earth Spike] is mastered, [Earth Spike] damage +100%.

 

[Set Bonus]

 

[When worn with Elemental Wield Pendant, Elemental Wield Cloak, Elemental Wield Shoes]

MATK +30, MATK + 15%  reduces variable cast time on skills by 30%.

 

Increases the damage of [Fire Bolt], [Lightning Bolt], [Cold Bolt], and [Earth Spike] by 100%.

Type: Garment
Weight: 15
Defense: 10
Required Level: 100
Applicable Jobs: Sorcerer

Elemental Wield Shoes [1]
A pair of boots made from a strange material laced with gold and multi-colored gemstones, which possesses the powers of the elements.

INT +2, MATK +10.

Increases the damage of [Fire Walk] and [Electric Walk] by 10% per refine of the shoes.

Type: Footwear
Weight: 20
Defense: 15
Required Level: 100
Applicable Jobs: Sorcerer

Elemental Wield Robe [1]
A robe made from a strange material laced with gold and multi-colored gemstones, which possesses the powers of the elements.

Increases the success rate of the [Double Bolt] skill by 20%.
With an Agni summoned, your [Fiberlock] will become [Burning Web], and your [Cold Bolt] will deal double damage to trapped enemies.
With an Aqua summoned, your [Fiberlock] will become [Frozen Web], and your [Lightning Bolt] will deal double damage to trapped enemies.
With a Ventus summoned, your [Fiberlock] will become [Gale Web], and your [Earth Spike] will deal double damage to trapped enemies.

Type: Armor
Weight: 20
Defense: 50
Required Level: 100
Applicable Jobs: Sorcerer

Elemental Wield Pendant
A pendant made of gold and set with multi-colored gemstones, which possesses the powers of the elements.

Variable Cast time -15%10%, Reduces fixed cast time of [Fire Bolt], [Cold Bolt], [Lightning Bolt], and [Earth Spike] skills by 1 second.

 

[Set Bonus]
If Tera is summoned, [Poison Burst] damage +50%. (stacks with a second pendant).

Type: Accessory
Weight: 10
Defense: 0
Required Level: 100
Applicable Jobs: Sorcerer

 

Just as an example. Make it so that it gives powerful ability as a set just like Mora. I was just worried that it would be just another standalone items. Idea themselves are great. Only question i had was set bonus limitation to make having a set worth it. 

 

Also, Giving them an option for enchant would be nice as well(same enchant as mora). That way, it could also be customized. 

Edited by CharAznable, 20 January 2016 - 09:23 AM.

[Kadelia]

that's fine too if the set us required to have some of the variable time and matk.

All of my proposed items are meant to be enchanted with the same enchanting table as white wing, urs, etc.

How does sorc set look now?

Edited by Kaddy!, 20 January 2016 - 10:21 AM.

[CharAznable]

that's fine too if the set us required to have some of the variable time and matk.

All of my proposed items are meant to be enchanted with the same enchanting table as white wing, urs, etc.

How does sorc set look now?

 

Fixed one looks fine. Set option could give slightly more variable cast reduction than 10% since WWS gives whopping +2 aspd. And you know how hard it is to get those. -20% should do the job I think. 

 

Since a lot of Bolt enthusiast might also go with auto Hindsight route, it might also be fun to give two different set for different style. Just like Sapha and Nab set for GX. I would personally go with ASPD build for bolt especially with Fiberlock being uber useful in this case. Just an idea.

Edited by CharAznable, 20 January 2016 - 11:43 AM.

[asperatus]

Idea is nice, but that sorcerer set modyfying existing skills might be impossible to implement. The more straightforward bonuses, the better.
Also, some more possible buff options: reduced aftecast delay on bolts(effect beneficial for those who want to selfcast instead of using hindsight), % mdef piercing(since in renewal higher level monsters have a lot of MDEF and it makes bolt damage suck big time)

[wadoichimonji]

I absolutely want those SC, Kage, and Sorc sets! /fsh

Do you plan to have second set too?

 

For SC set, it would be good if every piece have additional AGI bonus, as Triangle Shot formula is affected by total AGI.

 

For Ninja set, if I have to go auto-attack, I would prefer using Mirror Image than CSS, as it doesn't have knock back effect and I don't have to swap equips. It would be better if the Increase AGI, Shadow Warrior, and Alchemical auto casted when casting Mirror Image. The set could have negate Shadow Orb requirement for Mirror Image.

 

As for Sorc set, it so good. But, like Spike said, as Wizard counterpart, it would be nice to have weapon set. If it has to inferior than TSOD, I'm thinking about elemental grimoire (as book always inferior than staff). The innate bonus can be like, give bonus to related spirit, and the set bonus can be increasing bolt damage or fixed mdef piercing.

[Kadelia]

New draft of sorcerer set that uses weapon instead of accessory

[RioCyrus97]

hey Kaddy! would it be possible to make the SC to have set that reflects their roguish character      maybe focusing on melee build instead of ASS since ASS.... i hope you know what I mean

[CharAznable]

Rogue is more of a robber. Maybe set that compliments the "Ganker" might be interesting. I used to make fortunes using gank when I first stepped into iRO.

[Kadelia]

I don't think a set that encourages botting is a good idea

[CharAznable]

What! I legitimately ganked manually :/ I haven't seen Chaser bot tho. 

[RioCyrus97]

how about instead of buffing the gank skill and any related to it, we're (i mean you're) buffing skill that can allow SC shines as its names. come on, something that show u're a shadow chaser    

[Kadelia]

chasing shadows is a good way to waste your life

[RioCyrus97]

ikr     .... let see, hmmm....... i want to chip in some ideas instead ask for spoon-fed... I'll suggest when i get the idea    

 

 

 

EDITED:

 

Ok got some but I don't know to put it in a gear form. Set that buff the melee skill of Rogue class and Shadow Chaser Class. Fatal Menace will have the teleport removed and increase the AOE range to 5x5 when mastered. The sp cost doubled. Every points from Sightless mind and Snatch increase the atk power of the skill by 10% each skill; when both skill mastered, both skills contributed to additional 50% damage from each skill. Each level of sword mastery increase the damage for 20%; when mastered, increase additional dmg by 100% and reduce hit reduction from fatal menace by 5. <------ that's for melee skill

 

and there's also for reproduced skill regardless set. how about; when reproduce skill is mastered, increase the reproduced skill dmg for 50% (100% if not too much), reduces sp cost for 25%. each point from intimidate increase reproduced skill by 5% each. when sword mastery is mastered, increase atk dmg for 50% while when vulture's eye is mastered, increase ranged dmg by 50% <------- i don't know if u like it.

 

that's what i think....... I hope it's not to much increasement. that what i can think for contribution for chaser.

Edited by RioCyrus97, 29 January 2016 - 06:19 PM.