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[rojoky113]

I just think stuff you work for should be > stuff you afk for

Super agree with this, obviously I've taken issue with the afking to get free supplies from bg with no effort on it's own already as well.

[Themes]

I donno, doesnt really bother me all that much. I really havent done the math to compare them so I'm not sure of specifics. I could see making them even, but I'm not sure I'd bring blues down. Also would prefer that people work for them than just AFK, are the bots just permanently afk there? Could we just get a GM to sweep by and ban them? Is it happening on peoples main accounts or are they doing weird things like transferring characters with upgraded/statted gear to their accounts?

 

A redesign of the whole reward/badge system probably wouldnt be toooo bad of an idea in the long term, but it'd have to be done around the same time as other significant changes.

 

However despite all that, it's one thing to have a couple of people bull-_- about it on the forums and it's another to get the GMs interested in looking into solving some of the problems with it or developing new content for it.

[Xellie]

well idk they bot a lot and my guess it's characters on their mains. That said I can see them doing character transfers after xyz amount or something... wow. yes. probably.

 

I kind of wish BG could be built on different rewards, the blues thing should be a mixer for getting veterans helping new players, via TI etc. Honestly.

 

Something like making ranked blues lighter tho could totally be done with minimal effort tho.

[needmorezleep]

the gms need a topic to tell them to check areas that are common sense them checking bg isnt going to happen =(

[Heart]

Well I have never heard of a situation where a character that has used the Gym Dude ran out of pots in the middle of a battle. I mean, there's always time for reload in between battles... But I see your point, maybe you're right. What if they raised Bg pots Weight instead of lowering the ranked blues? My champ would certainly love lighter ranked blues but our 120 players WoE would probably become a 120 champs WoE. HUE.

 

It happens alot, I have to restock every now and then and leave between fights, especially on woe2, its harder to catch a break.

[ShinRyoma]

And idk what your potting speed or int-vs-sp is but using woe blues I can pot from zero to full on a champ during the time it takes to zen-fury-zen and fist again, at about 140 dex and 176 aspd. Yggs really shine for me when under pressure/fire, obviously they are great but I don't think woe blues are THAT horrible, plus half weight, free and easy to get a -_-ton of pretty quick. They're pretty OP.

 

Just did some testing. With my most used gears(ED d robe, +7 noxious garb). It took 21 potions to go from 0 to 1900. And I wasn't using the consumables I usually do on WoE. I can't pot 21 blues while zen-fury-zen ing. It's a pretty standard build, reaching 90 vit and 140 dex with. 174 aspd if I take the trouble of switching to snap away and zen-fury-zen. Maybe it's because BR poor internet connection, but by the time i'm ready to gfist again I need to pot at least 8 more. Sometimes more. I'm still up for making them heavier tho.

[rojoky113]

Just to triple check I wasn't talking out of my arse, I made a guildie stand in pvp while I rapid fire fisted him in my standard woe gear with buffs/consumables (even incubus when I usually have MP on), 2211 sp also 21 woe blues to fill, and was able to hit full sp for every fist.

 

Only things I can suggest is use a ping reducer if your latency is bad (BR lag might still be significant) and make a potting macro if you aren't a natural potting speed demon.

Edited by rojoky113, 10 February 2016 - 08:20 PM.

[Xellie]

Nice but I have less ping than them and I cant do it either on a standard woe built champ

[rojoky113]

You live in the uk and pot manually though right? Fist delay plus delay and cast of zen fury zen plus fist cast is a good 2-3 seconds total and 7-10 pots a second isn't impossible to hit with good ping and a macro will do it pretty easily.

Obviously yggs are better, quicker, and safer since they refill hp too and let you get back to potting whites if you are under fire. I'm just saying that refilling with woe blues shouldn't mean you are doomed to wait half a dozen+ seconds between each fist compared to yggs.

Or you know tell me I'm special for not having a problem doing it but I'm definitely not so meh.

[Xellie]

Yes but we're all like thousands of miles away, even with battleping and a macro I can't do it.

 

Yes I tested.

 

Einstein would like to have a word with you. Basically, WoE blues are for players outside the US.

 

Just saying our BRos in Brazil have worse connections than mine from the UK.

Edited by Xellie, 11 February 2016 - 10:09 AM.

[rojoky113]

How many pots/second do you hit doing that? I'm pretty surprised you can't hit even 7. If you macro it does take fine tuning based on your computer/connection to optimize it.

 

Last time I brought up how much ping makes a difference in potting speed/survivability and suggested possibly having a reasonable consumable per second cap or something to try and balance that out some I got jumped all over by certain people saying it would completely break/destroy the game or whatever so I guess if you live really far from the servers you'll have to either deal with the ping disadvantage and extra half-second to second it takes to pot to full (if someone can't hit even 5/sec if they try I worry for their survivability vs dps in woe, less than that is slooow), or start looking at real estate in california.

 

I'm east coast though so while I'm obviously not super far or across an ocean I'm not right next door either. High ping is almost always gonna put you at a disadvantage in online gaming but idk what anyone can really do about it.

 

 

Edited by rojoky113, 11 February 2016 - 10:32 AM.

[Xellie]

I think we play in that knowledge,but no pingzapper in the world will put people in other continents on the same page. That's why we play around it. I probably cap out at about 7~12/second optimally where as people like isamu can hit ~21/second.

 

buffing the ranked blues would also close that gap a little, would be pretty nice!

[ShinRyoma]

Macro does help (still can't fill sp tho). I personally dislike using each and every kind of non human help to play the game. Not saying people shouldn't do it, I am that stubborn because I want to. But I pot manually, avoid greyworld and fought against RCX for as long as I could. 

 

That being said, even if I stop whatever the hell I'm doing and just pot, If I can pot 3 items/second I call it a good day. That applies to both HP and SP. If I could pot 7 pots/sec I'd be probably much happier and more effective than I am lol.

[Xellie]

Macros just dont feel like playing the game - I'm totally with you on that. Edit and 3pp free RO is the dream

[rojoky113]

Minimini effects from rcx just add way too much playability to me personally in woe, no effects is playing entirely blind and I don't find running into invisible skills everywhere fun, and effects on in woe is pretty much just as blinding with stormgusts and everything else going on covering the screen (plus laggy).

As for macros, while I do definitely like mine if it could be totally enforced that there be no autopot, no macros, no 3pp and no ahk at all I agree that I would actually kinda like that. Afraid it might just be a pipe dream at this point though, and I'm not gonna gimp myself vs autopotters and people making use of AHK.

Most important thing to me is that the playing field is even in what people are and are not using. I'm personally pretty happy with where RO is at, if only we could get rid of greyworld and have actual enforcement on cheats and banned things (coughAPcough).

Edited by rojoky113, 11 February 2016 - 12:08 PM.

[ShinRyoma]

I didn't post on that other thread not to get in the middle of a fight but while I personally won't use greyworld unless they point a gun to my head, I agree with squirrel when he says it helps a skilled player. I have played with people that definetely do a lot better while using it. If it's legal or not is not something I will vote. But I think it's a different kind of advantage when compared to AP, and even more different when compared to ndl - those two should never ever be considered legal IMHO. 

Edited by ShinRyoma, 11 February 2016 - 12:45 PM.