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[damastascout]

So i was thinking about how much i love to play rose online, and how more people could love the game like i do. That's when i realised we dont have a refferal system yet. Think of it, if you bring a friend to the game you will get 50 IM if he reaches lvl 100, 100 IM for lvl 200 and another 100 for lvl 230. In that way people will help their friends too lvl means more party's and more clerics in lower lvl area's and alot of new people!
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[Dragonlark]

A referral program would be awesome! We wouldn't be able to do something exactly like this unfortunately, but I'll poke the Dev team and see what they think, maybe we can do a limited time referral program in the future with some kind of item as a reward. If they were able to do something like this, what kind of an item you would like to see as a reward, other than Item Mall points?

[damastascout]

I really apreciate this idea is giving tought.
Instead of IM a special gift would be given to you, like with 1 refer a t shirt, with 5 a special costume, with 10 a special weapon costume for your class, with 25 refs 1k im
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[KatsuraKujo]

Its a good and bad idea at the same time. People can just make new accounts/ characters making the reward easy to obtain, although i like the idea of it, but i don't want it to be abused and in the end, achieve nothing out of it

Edited by KatsuraKujo, 08 March 2016 - 06:17 PM.

[damastascout]

it's just very easy to stop the abuses, just make an ip-check on it so people cant refer the same ip as they play on

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[Feuer]

Referrals typically only work with a service that is paid, particularly buy to play games [where a license key is required to authenticate the account activation]

Something like a referral on ROSE would require some parameters, but could quite possibly still be worked around. 

 

I'd say the best position for a referral service would be to point it to the premium service. I kinda have a mach plan for it in my head so I'll go ahead and share the outline for those interested.

 

1: Send a referral 'code' to an email.

2: The code can only be activated on a WP account registered to the same email.

3: Once the 'code' is activated, the sender can no longer send referrals to that email [thus account ID]

4: The person who received the referral receives a type of discount and/or bonus on their purchase of a month of premium when using the code.

5: When the code is activated, the referrer gets a free week [or so] premium service, and some IM points.

 

This program outline does a few things.

Limits the number of referrals to unique email ID's.

Requires the purchase of a service in order to get a reward that is smaller in total than the purchase cost. [meaning inviting yourself would only give you a one time benefit, and after that you couldn't receive it again from that account, thus looping into cost ineffectiveness]

and finally encourages the usage of premium service via the referral, allowing the referrer, receiver of said referral, and ROSE Dev Team to all get a benefit from the transaction.

In other words, a potential win:win..:win? lol 

[raranz25]

I think it'll be good to  advertise it on social media again like Facebook, IG. I think social media plays a vital role for people to recognize any games. Referral system might be abused in my opinion. People could just go somewhere and make a new account in a different pc. 

[damastascout]

the account has to get to lvl 100-200 tho before the gift will be given out

[Feuer]

If they've made a purchase to 'consume' the referral benefit, then I doubt that's a necessary limitation. 

[damastascout]

you are right but i dont want any pay-2-consume stuff. Now you are forcing people who are just actively getting new people to play to pay for the game. in my opinion you are just getting more people to pay then. That's not the concept. if more people join more people will buy IM anyways. dont force them to pay for the game before you will receive a gift.

[Feuer]

Part of the referral could be a free 7 days premium, and the 'code' sent could get them a one-time discount then?

That way there's still incentive for the new player to purchase it, after having had a sample of it.

 

As yes, it is somewhat restrictive, but that's intentionally so. Without a payment being required, this referral service would just become free IM/premium by creating a free account, and the referrer get's the award while leaving the account they "referred".

It's really the only way to ensure that real people are being referred, instead of just registering a free account to give yourself free currency. It's lame, but it's really the only way to get it done correctly. 

 

Also, I have a sense this topic was specifically geared towards referring players to ROSE itself, and not WP in general. However there is a WP referral system in place, if you'd like to see the details follow the link below.

https://www.warpport...nt/friends.aspx

Edited by Feuer, 09 March 2016 - 02:18 AM.

[damastascout]

in my opinion the 7 day trial for premium seems like a very good idea, it helps to get some cash from the free daily boxes aswell as the 30% more xp wich comes in very usefull for new players, besides that we should give out like a 20% extra IM on purchase for the account and on the first payment there will be an award for the refered account so both sides will have advantage instead of just the player who is not new at all to the game. this would be a win-win-win situation, since both the new player and already existing player would get a little benefit and warp portal will get extra money from purchases of IM with the 20% coupon code (1 time only) and the purchases after the 7 day premium trial.

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[KatsuraKujo]

well what feuer mentioned fixes one of the problems, but knowing the internet and the people that likes, to break the actual line of system, they would just create a lot of dummy email accounts to reap the rewards. Just saying. The rest of it i agree so i give a thumbs up to it as mentioned before

[damastascout]

The dummy accounts can be fixed by a restriction to refer your someone using the same ip adress to play

[Feuer]

Ok, just for the record. basing ANY type of access [be it bans or referrals or multi logging] DOES NOT WORK. IP bypasses number in the dozens and are a dime-a-dozen when it comes to access. 

IP restriction always get's thrown around when it comes to limitations, and they just don't work anymore. They did, about 8 years ago, but not anymore. I just really wanted to clear that up. 

[damastascout]

Hmm and how about a special gift when the person reaches a certain LVL?

[Tleliaxu]

Friends with Benefits

[Feuer]

Part of the referral could be a free 7 days premium, and the 'code' sent could get them a one-time discount then?

That way there's still incentive for the new player to purchase it, after having had a sample of it.

 

As yes, it is somewhat restrictive, but that's intentionally so. Without a payment being required, this referral service would just become free IM/premium by creating a free account, and the referrer get's the award while leaving the account they "referred".

It's really the only way to ensure that real people are being referred, instead of just registering a free account to give yourself free currency. It's lame, but it's really the only way to get it done correctly. 

 

Also, I have a sense this topic was specifically geared towards referring players to ROSE itself, and not WP in general. However there is a WP referral system in place, if you'd like to see the details follow the link below.

https://www.warpport...nt/friends.aspx

 

 

Friends with Benefits

[Hellowarz]

I like the referral idea, however that being said, no amount will ever give item mall points, for good reason.... Just saying super easy on a non paid service for this to get min/maxed and trust me , people will if IM points are a reward. Otherwise simple and nice little ascetic rewards would be a good idea

 

"Part of the referral could be a free 7 days premium, and the 'code' sent could get them a one-time discount then?

That way there's still incentive for the new player to purchase it, after having had a sample of it."

^ That is going to end with people that keep making new accounts to get the free premium for 7 days on other accounts then transferring the rewards back to their main.... Min/Max, if that is implemented it will be some's big payoff.

 

 

Since we have a nice jumping spot here on ideas to get new players, I hope you don't mind if I throw out some ideas myself...

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I can't find posts where I am fairly certain this has been mentioned but I am going to suggest something that I think has been turned down in the past. I would like a real reasoning why this shouldn't ever happen though.

With events we add items to the game all the time, usually items that can only pertain to the event not an item that actually changes and goes into regular monster loot tables, and certainly not a new crafting material or the like. With all of those caveats being stated, why can't we have super rare "items" in monster drop tables of specific regions or specific mobs. (The it can't happen easily response would be better if I get a full reasoning, like why the coding makes it harder to do this ect.) Since for events it seems like we have been able to add loot to monster's loot tables fairly easily and then remove them after the events.

 

"Items" : Like for example we have some cool mounts, and even some that are obtained through game play but it would be nice if there was a reason to go back to specific spots to "farm" something like mounts from specific spots. I would farm for days myself to attempt to get a Doonga mount, or a jelly bean mount, I would farm until I perish for a Kaiman.

Of course another easily thought of "item" would be more pets, or some pets that are earned like mounts above, with excessive farming, but for something that you want for that "look" you're going for. With all the costume contests and emphasis on looks in the game in general, I see no reason why we don't promote that aspect to the max, and these grinds give those that have done everything else so to speak another challenge and end goal.

Spoiler

There is this wonderful little bit of psychology of mmo games with an elitist top, the best way to keep those below motivated is to give them vast avenues for progression so that they don't feel forced into a path and can get to that "elitist" position in more than one way and more than one area. If a Worm Dragon mount had a 1% of 1% ( .01 % ) drop rate, it would almost never drop and those that had the mount would be "elite" of a specific area, getting others to seek such for themselves but more importantly adding another area where people can become "elite" in allows a break for everyone from what might be considered the main path (max lvl/ max gear/ money) which are all very inter connected to such an extent that they are essentially synonymous.

 

I love the look of so many of the lucky spin costumes but as someone that has never bought Item Mall points and never will, after months and months of playing the game (more than the average person by the way) I have no route to any of those costumes in any foreseeable future. I cried but then since money management, especially for those unwilling to buy it, is so grueling I have finally gotten past it and for myself am just going to save all my money for the main path.

 

I am sure there are some that have grown their money better than me, however I am certainly above average. In the fairly short while I have been back I have taken 5 chars to above 220, 2 230, 5 others above 170. "These chars where all done for money making reasons in the end." I have an artisan above 220, a max cleric/champ , 220+ gun bourg. Almost a max charm cleric now but as we all know that path is expensive haha. Anyways after all this and working vending and specific money activities I have a grand total of 8-9 billion to my name. Now 6 of that is reserved for making my cleric max charm. So the rest is for champ PVM set min/maxing. No money for any costumes, or anything that comes from the item mall... I mean seriously if you are a new player unwilling to or cannot use item mall this not only shows you that the main path is going to be long and grueling but then any other little side path you would like to take in the mean time is also cut off for you if you truly want to do the main path. 

 

Costumes as another "elitist" route to one day have that perfect look you want, are so heavily steeped in money management as well that to even do it you need to either be done with the main path already, or take away from your efforts on the main path to do it. All of this by the way is extremely destructive towards the new player's psyche unless they can/do give into a Item Mall for money management path. Now despite that being an overwhelmingly insurmountable feeling to these new players, if other avenues are expanded and especially ones that do not require taking away from the monolithic main path it alleviates that frustration of focus of so few limited paths. If these mounts/pets where added so that they were character locked when picked up then it specifically takes away the money management path from it, I think even with allowing them to be traded however it will still greatly help the idea of more paths of "elitism" to be elite in/strive for.

 

Speaking of costumes, they would go perfectly in with the mount/pet idea as well having some specific costumes earned from in game farming and I would prefer for all of these super rare ascetic paths, that nothing not even an item mall item helps the chances of obtaining them. This also gives transparency in how these paths are, so that superstition about it is easily dispelled by those that have already done it. Making it fairly clear to players that sorry yes it is specifically a long grind on purpose but being so transparent about it makes it feel really fair to players.

 

Why not certain poses as well? We have like the pharaoh stance, but some cute, or cool ones at a grind spot again just adds more things to their own little paths and as a side-track to the main path for newer players but yet another path to those that have done it all.

 

I think focusing on ideas that not only apply to a certain group but everyone are the best ones because that means putting investment into areas that aren't so directed and therefore payoff in more than one specified group/avenue allowing the dividends to payoff more exponentially or at least linearly instead of a plateau effect. Some kind of referral idea is nice because it does have an incentive for all. Any referral idea with item mall in any way will be min/max abused, I think Gravity knows this guys so I know it is what "we" want,  but realistically if we are reasoned about it there is no way ever. The only path for an item mall referral program to work is if it is on the paid side alone, thus it has a money barrier. One behind that however I think would work excellently

Edited by Hellowarz, 12 March 2016 - 12:09 PM.

[Feuer]

Any service, any at all, that doesn't require an investment will be exploited unless ROSE turns off it's multi-clienting feature or make it so you have to buy an account ID to play [like the Buy to Play models from GW2 and a few other titles where you buy the game, but the online service is free]. 

 

It comes down to simple greed.

If you offer something for nothing, people will use it for their own advantage. 

If you require some type of investment, then only patrons who are serious about supporting the game will look into it.

 

Things like a free 7 day premium can be functionally limited. Instead of the normal premium boxes, these 7 day 'freemiums' would have a special box [like we do with valentines day] where all the items are account or character locked.

 

But, when you're talking about rewarding players for registering free accounts, it will get taken advantage of.

For example, I used TinyTake for some time to record videos, but the initital download only had a maximum of 5 minutes recording time. You gained minutes by 'referring' people to the software. Instead, all I did was refer alternate emails registered the accounts and boom, i was up to a 30minute cap within an hour. 

And that's exactly how this would work on ROSE. Because there is no investment, no cost that the referrer or referred needs to make to get the benefits. This makes it easy for 1 person to mimic multiple accounts and just pile on the rewards.

 

Flat out, unless it's paid, it will NOT work. 

[damastascout]

Friends with benefits is a warp portal related system, im here for a rose-only system

[damastascout]

How about this, since gifts will be exploited... We could get 50% bonus xp when in the party with the referal (for both) and an item you can use once each hour to teleport to your friend