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#26 CadburyChocolate

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Posted 26 March 2016 - 05:52 AM

hahaha...this debate will always be an endless topic to discuss. while i dislike making some rankings since it depends on gears, skillsets and playstyle, i would like to establish some tiers. classes on the same tier has equal in power (this is also debatable, but to simplify things up):
god tier : Gene, gx, rk, ranger
high tier: sura, mechanic, sorc, RG
mid tier: performer, warlock, rebel
low tier: sc, kage/obo, suno, AB

dunno why people always underestimate performers. SR is really great skill to have, i myself often MVPing with my performers and it is effective. moreover SR posbug already solved, so hit and run SR method now available, making things easier

SC can be up there in high tier


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Posted 26 March 2016 - 06:16 AM

Disagree with you here. A fully decked out RK's damage is more like a gene's in some instances.

 

With that much damage, there isn't a single instance GX cant play. Rangers dont come close to GX damage on frenzy as well, even without dark claw. EDP is way too powerful for that.

 

If you get the chance to play a fully decked out RK I think you might change your mind.
I agree 100% with Ash and Richkr.
I don't like gene because they use a lot of supplies, but then again if you have top tier gear you can cc most things to death.

RK uses pretty much 0 supplies.
Hell, my biochemist can do over 1m bombs to certain MvPs.
 


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Posted 26 March 2016 - 06:22 AM

If you get the chance to play a fully decked out RK I think you might change your mind.
I agree 100% with Ash and Richkr.
I don't like gene because they use a lot of supplies, but then again if you have top tier gear you can cc most things to death.
RK uses pretty much 0 supplies.
Hell, my biochemist can do over 1m bombs to certain MvPs.


I do have played decked out RKs in other servers. My opinion doesn't change. DB RKs don't need as much supplies but this isn't the only factor to determine class rank. it's the ability to fight and DPS in addition to supply usage. like you mentioned, genes are able to deck out 1m bombs while GX do 500k crits. DB RKs come no where close on any situation.
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Posted 26 March 2016 - 06:28 AM

I do have played decked out RKs in other servers. My opinion doesn't change. DB RKs don't need as much supplies but this isn't the only factor to determine class rank. it's the ability to fight and DPS in addition to supply usage. like you mentioned, genes are able to deck out 1m bombs while GX do 500k crits. DB RKs come no where close on any situation.

 

That's in certain situations, but for almost any instance, a solo RK will win.

It also depends on the person, but DB dancing isn't that hard to pick up.
 


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Posted 26 March 2016 - 06:32 AM

SC can be up there in high tier

triangle shot? ctrl-click invisibility? copied skills that never be as good as originator? limited weapon and gears available?
we're talking about DPS dear, flexibility to handle several types of mvp and its effectiveness.
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Posted 26 March 2016 - 06:39 AM

It's just the way RO is; balance is a joke. At least they do have plans to attempt a rebalance in kRO soon though. I read somewhere that Ziu ( a Brazilian chasing kRO developments) interviewed RO Devs, and their plans were to do a class balance again after episode 16 instances were done.

That is a helluva long way ahead for us to ever receive those if they are good though.


kRO will re-balance again? I dont really follow updates but there is this one private server that I an leveling and planning to WoE there. Masq already has a 3 second cooldown :v
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Posted 26 March 2016 - 06:47 AM

Yeah instance wise a decked out RK is better than a Gen. But in terms of MVP dps you're gonna have a hard time beating mvp godded acid bomb

 

So basically my list is legit woew


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Posted 26 March 2016 - 06:48 AM

That's in certain situations, but for almost any instance, a solo RK will win.
It also depends on the person, but DB dancing isn't that hard to pick up.


that's not true. DPS is king for many situations. Being easy to use relative to slightly more effortful classes doesn't make it rank higher, especially when the DPS difference can be very high. Genes and GX also don't face any elemental restrictions (not that they matter too much to DB RK unless it's holy), but that adds to even more speed difference.

heck, being lazy is a personal thing. class capabilities wise, DB RK is definitely not better than gene or GX.
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Posted 26 March 2016 - 08:00 AM

that's not true. DPS is king for many situations. Being easy to use relative to slightly more effortful classes doesn't make it rank higher, especially when the DPS difference can be very high. Genes and GX also don't face any elemental restrictions (not that they matter too much to DB RK unless it's holy), but that adds to even more speed difference.

heck, being lazy is a personal thing. class capabilities wise, DB RK is definitely not better than gene or GX.

 

I was talking about in instances only and said that gene will pretty much win anywhere else.
Being able to DB dance isn't about being lazy, latency can make it to where it isn't possible and some people simply can't get the rhythm down.

Mind posting your equipment? I just feel like you've never been able to compare all of the classes side by side.

Instance wise, my "lazy" mode RK (gtb setup) is still going to probably finish before your GX.

Even with my gen, the RK can still beat it in some situations and the RK doesn't even come close to the supply expenses of a gen.

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Obviously not the most optimal setups. I switch to Eddga shoes, Menblatt, etc. when needed. 


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Posted 26 March 2016 - 08:03 AM

I was talking about in instances only and said that gene will pretty much win anywhere else.
Being able to DB dance isn't about being lazy, latency can make it to where it isn't possible and some people simply can't get the rhythm down.

Mind posting your equipment? I just feel like you've never been able to compare all of the classes side by side.

Instance wise, my "lazy" mode RK (gtb setup) is still going to probably finish before your GX.

Even with my gen, the RK can still beat it in some situations and the RK doesn't even come close to the supply expenses of a gen.

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Obviously not the most optimal setups. I switch to Eddga shoes, Menblatt, etc. when needed. 

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Posted 26 March 2016 - 08:08 AM

Afaik this isnt a dps comparison ranking '-'
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Posted 26 March 2016 - 08:10 AM

that's not true. DPS is king for many situations. Being easy to use relative to slightly more effortful classes doesn't make it rank higher, especially when the DPS difference can be very high. Genes and GX also don't face any elemental restrictions (not that they matter too much to DB RK unless it's holy), but that adds to even more speed difference.

heck, being lazy is a personal thing. class capabilities wise, DB RK is definitely not better than gene or GX.

 

Aside from elemental restrictions, I don't see how a genetic or gx would beat rk in terms of speed. Maybe acid bomb against certain mvps. But you don't really bomb your mobs 1 by 1 in your instances, do you?. DB>CC most of the time, even against undead. What's weak to holy, is usually weak to fire as well. Also, Db is ground target, cc single target. That makes a huge difference.

Crit dd is awesome. But don't forget they are pure burst dmg. Chain db is constant aoe dps. DB > RC. Rk may not reach the highest peak compared to gene or gx, but again they are constant high dps.

 

Lazy because It takes too long. I thought you were talking about speed? Can your gx or genetic solo 85 floors of ET in ~30 mins? Video please, cuz maybe I'm doing something really wrong.

 

Finally, good luck with gx and genetic at future nightmare bio dungeon. I'll be on rk.


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Posted 26 March 2016 - 08:11 AM

Afaik this isnt a dps comparison ranking '-'

 

I know, I'm not trying to show off, just prove that I know what I'm talking about.
I'll admit that I don't know how to GX, but I have seen geared ones in action.


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Posted 26 March 2016 - 08:15 AM

Rangers: *sits at the corner watching who would come 2nd*


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Posted 26 March 2016 - 08:21 AM

I know, I'm not trying to show off, just prove that I know what I'm talking about.
I'll admit that I don't know how to GX, but I have seen geared ones in action.


That wasnt to you :v

And as being one of the biggest lovers of GXes, and having tried mostly every build and gear setup possible, i admit that all we have is 1v1 damage, everything else we lose to other classes.
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Posted 26 March 2016 - 10:04 AM

I know your opinions are all fixed on DB RK. Forget I mentioned anything. You guys already said everything there is to it. Genes outcompete RKs on certain MVPs and GXs have way higher burst DPS, but DB RKs have it easiest generally with two buttons you can press forever. 

 

And to the nightmare bios, I would think genes have it good as well. Bombs are frigging destruction tools there even though you can't use it on everything.


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Posted 26 March 2016 - 10:54 AM

hahaha...this debate will always be an endless topic to discuss. while i dislike making some rankings since it depends on gears, skillsets and playstyle, i would like to establish some tiers. classes on the same tier has equal in power (this is also debatable, but to simplify things up):
god tier : Gene, gx, rk, ranger
high tier: sura, mechanic, sorc, RG
mid tier: performer, warlock, rebel
low tier: sc, kage/obo, suno, AB

dunno why people always underestimate performers. SR is really great skill to have, i myself often MVPing with my performers and it is effective. moreover SR posbug already solved, so hit and run SR method now available, making things easier

 

When was this fixed? in other words you can cast SR then walk away now right? unlike before where your character is stuck in casting animation and can't move?

 

Time to update my skill build if this is true. 


Edited by Usurper, 26 March 2016 - 10:55 AM.

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Posted 26 March 2016 - 11:31 AM

hahaha...this debate will always be an endless topic to discuss. while i dislike making some rankings since it depends on gears, skillsets and playstyle, i would like to establish some tiers. classes on the same tier has equal in power (this is also debatable, but to simplify things up):
god tier : Gene, gx, rk, ranger
high tier: Sura, ,RG,rebel,mechanic
mid tier: Performer, Warlock, Sorc,K/O

low tier: SC, AB

 

don't deserve a tier : SUPER NOVICE

dunno why people always underestimate performers. SR is really great skill to have, i myself often MVPing with my performers and it is effective. moreover SR posbug already solved, so hit and run SR method now available, making things easier

 

Fixed :P

 

i think rebel is high tier for MVP/PVM,Binding Trap is love.


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Posted 26 March 2016 - 12:39 PM

Sorc is high tier :v


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Posted 26 March 2016 - 12:54 PM

Lets get it correct, AB is like a totally seperate tier of its own kind, you cant compare damage output of an AB to other classes simply because AB has the most powerful skill in the game :Turn Undead.

 

On a 15mil HP Undead element monster, TU on success will deal 15 mill+ damage, no questions asked.

 

Comparing that to DB is just simply impossible.


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Posted 26 March 2016 - 01:00 PM

If there was any Undead mob that is not boss and had this HP, sure, not the case tho :v

On a mob that you can use Turn Undead, a 1/1 Novice can use a Ygg Leaf and achieve the same instakill :)

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Edited by Ashuckel, 26 March 2016 - 01:01 PM.

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Posted 26 March 2016 - 01:27 PM


And as being one of the biggest lovers of GXes, and having tried mostly every build and gear setup possible, i admit that all we have is 1v1 damage, everything else we lose to other classes.

so tru so tru


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Posted 26 March 2016 - 02:50 PM

again, this is not only about DPS, but also ability to handle orher types of mvp.
DB RK will have hard time vs valk, but crush strike RK can handle it.
AB has excellent ability vs demon undead mvps, but having hard time facing holy or other mvps with holy or mdef resist. unless you are crazy battle AB like yugacky.
warlock has nemesis of dark 3/4 or holy mvps, also if mvps packed with high mdef, this makes WL ability to handle those kinds of mvps is low.

so reason i put things in tier, usually in god tier are because they have good DPS and able to handle almost all types of mvps.
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Posted 26 March 2016 - 03:30 PM

If I was going to invest in a single character for all around, it would be a genetic hands down.
For making zeny in instances, I prefer the RK because of the speed and the fact that you use almost no supplies, even with average gear.


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Posted 26 March 2016 - 03:39 PM

For PVM, Imma have to hand it to GXs/DB RKs/Rangers. In that order

MVP: Genes/Suras/GXs


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