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[GodLike0000]

Hello everyone.

 

I have checked almost information I could find about Multi-Client, Auto-Follow and use both of them to do something such as Leveling or going somewhere. And think of if they are legal or not, being agreed/supported or not.

 

I know some people may don't like to see many characters walking and sticking around a specific character and see them as bots quickly.

Besides, some people would think these multi-follow-but-non-3rd-part-program players may affect the econemy in RO slowly.

 

I have been thinking these question for a long time. In my game experience, I prefer to play several characters at the same time. When I found it is feasible in ro via the basic game element(just multi clienting and let them auto-follow my character who was hitting monsters and share exp), I did it without thought.

 

 

Sometimes, I could get some respond like "bots", but also some people said "they are not" or "it has no problem".

 

That makes me confused, I don't think something just by the legal game access will be illegal, Alchemists' homunculus leveling sometimes looks like bots as well, but they are not(say sorry to alchemists, i have an alchemist, too).

 

Just think there is too much blurry line here.

Edited by GodLike0000, 28 April 2016 - 08:53 AM.

[RichieDagger]

Doesn't matter, so long as you are manually controlling the characters on each client you have opened. This includes auto-follow, as it is a legitimate in-game command you can use on a single client. No real difference between two-boxing and running two clients.

[3025140119203620510]

If the kill counts are granted map-wide instead of screen-wide, we would not have to rely on the super buggy auto-follow feature on the client. It's pretty hard to be a party leader because you're stuck recruiting that last healer / AOE, while your party went off and slowly getting counts. Then once you recruited all the members, they just left half way through because they already done their TI counts. 

Anyways the bots auto-follow feature works much different than the client auto-follow. You can often tell the difference if it's a bot autofollow or client autofollow.  

The client auto-follow is extremely obvious. It usually move at the same time as the person it follows, following the same path, maybe with 1-2 second delay. Also it will keep sticking right next to that person. If the lead loss the follower, he has to walk back near to the follower and it will sticks right back again. 

Bot users often set their auto-follow few cells apart, usually around 3-5 cells. So it's not sticking next to that person but few cells apart away. Often times, people don't even notice it's a bot auto-following because it's not as obvious as the client auto-follow. Also autofollow bot sometimes get lost but still manage to walk back to the lead position without the lead going back to the follower. The bot usually refresh the party location, figure out the lead location, then update its location accordingly every few seconds or so.  The bots also likely to pot itself, cast some skills, and even teleport/dc when dying, etc etc. 

There are a lot of users in the field map with auto-follow priest bots, especially now that Juno is in spotlight and hard hitting Harpies. You can try observe the different between multi-client and bot auto-follow. I notice there are also priests bot plauging TI lately as well. Maybe because it's impossible to a healer in Low TI now days. It's funny because people do not notice the priest is a bot because how perfect he/she buffs everyone, also the bot never complains about SP, and likes to do jump and jacks when she/he low on SP. One time there's one priest in the party who cast status recovery before the guy getting frozen sprite, resurrect the guy before he even fall down from dying, amazing.
 
 

[gatygun]

It's easy to see if it's a bot. He will heal / buff when the main char is using skills and still autofollows without issue. This is impossible for a auto follow client.

 

[Icarus05]

It's easy to see if it's a bot. He will heal / buff when the main char is using skills and still autofollows without issue. This is impossible for a auto follow client.

^this is correct ( i do autofollows every  janeaway , and i know how bots react ) 

[Kuroyukiii]

i will just post a post which i quote from a infamous botting program's forum.

 

Spoiler

iRO uses custom map for their grumpy TI. You should look at xxx creation guide.


It's a bit of pain having to redo the xxx files each time they rotate the map. Low TI camp party is a decent place for bots. Just lock the position and let it grind days in days out. I notice my bots always have hard time following moving TI party, even if I configure it to auto follow only. Maybe it's because I am using a 14" pentium laptop lol. Anyways I managed to make 6 man camping low-TI party, (2 priest, 2 hunter, 1 dancer gypsy kiss, 1 wizard) but it's too much effort than its worth really. Sometimes a other pt puller pulled too much onto us, and wiped the whole party.

Mid / High TI was a hard place to full-AFK bot. You probably need to use xxxx for those and make sure the bot catch up with the party, while automated some other features.

I find Bio4 is one of the easier place to bot. I botted my AB from 150-175 the whole time. Just find a party, start the bot, let it work its magic, be sure to auto loot OPB, and go watch a movie while they are grinding bio4 lol. With magic string / gypsy kiss, you'd be amazed how much faster the bot work than human counterpart lol. It's almost like the perfect AB. Sadly nobody ever compliment how I cast status recovery before the guy even got frozen (at the right guy too, usually people stuck together so it's hard to cast on the right guy) or resurrect someone at the instance they got killed.

Sorry probably too much info than you asked haha.

 

Bio 4 boys Bio 4.

Edited by Kuroyukiii, 27 April 2016 - 05:13 AM.

[NoDice]

You may want to edit the content out since, as you said it, this comes from a forum catering to third party automation. If the poster shares the same name here or you have an idea about their IGN the its best to report them.

[sv003]

As others have stated and to put a clear difference here if it is legal or not:

 

Autofollow (the ingame shift right click way) is perfectly legal to do.

 

Botting (using a 3rd party program to automate control of the secondary client) is illegal.

 

The two can be differentiated visually, bots don't stick as close to the main client, and usually are casting skills etc.  If a bot is out of view from the main client, it will still move to the client.  Legitimate autofollow from a secondary game client will stick real close to the main character unless you are faster than the second client.  Legitimate clients also will stop if the main client character is out of view on the second client.

 

HOWEVER there are a few exceptions, here is one example:

If you alt tab while moving your character will keep moving allowing you to alt tab to do a skill while your other client is still moving, however unless your cast is instant, you will lose your main character from autofollow view.

[Kusanagisama]

HOWEVER there are a few exceptions, here is one example:

If you alt tab while moving your character will keep moving allowing you to alt tab to do a skill while your other client is still moving, however unless your cast is instant, you will lose your main character from autofollow view.

 

Also, try to make 2 characters auto-follow each other. It will be a very fun thing to watch.

[ChakriGuard]

Sounds about righ. Botting in reality and claming that it is a multi-client. Get good ez xD haha

[Valadez]

Also, try to make 2 characters auto-follow each other. It will be a very fun thing to watch.

 

I used to walk around with five Alchemists following another Alchemist all with their homunculis out. 

[Dreimdal]

It's easy to see if it's a bot. He will heal / buff when the main char is using skills and still autofollows without issue. This is impossible for a auto follow client.

Not entirely true.

An auto-following Arch Bishop can use the AoE buffs and heal without having to reset auto-follow. Very easy to either two-computer, or alt-tab to, AB and do Coloseo Heal, Cantocandidus, Clementia, Magnificat and doesn't break auto because no mouse clicking involved. Only button-pressing.

[sv003]

Not entirely true.

An auto-following Arch Bishop can use the AoE buffs and heal without having to reset auto-follow. Very easy to either two-computer, or alt-tab to, AB and do Coloseo Heal, Cantocandidus, Clementia, Magnificat and doesn't break auto because no mouse clicking involved. Only button-pressing.

 

Only able to do this with party buffs yeah, if you see a healer healing or blessing or agi up (All single target skills) then following, its a bot.

[3025140119203620510]

I think visual inspection alone will probably be insufficient evidence and could spark a witch hunt. It's often best to leave the job to the GM.  You also often cannot distinguish between real players and a well configured bots, especially when RO has a very simple game mechanic and a lot of non-english speakers.  Sometimes actual botters may be behind the screen doing something else, and if he see something suspicious coming in, he probably could just override the bots behavior and control them manually. 

 

I don't think you should be worried about having a bot following people in a party. Despite it being illegal, I doubt any bots ever get banned over it, simply because it's hard to be proven guilty without some sort of  automated detection. 

 

Shift follow dual client is still legal, however.

[sv003]

I think visual inspection alone will probably be insufficient evidence and could spark a witch hunt. It's often best to leave the job to the GM.  You also often cannot distinguish between real players and a well configured bots, especially when RO has a very simple game mechanic and a lot of non-english speakers.  Sometimes actual botters may be behind the screen doing something else, and if he see something suspicious coming in, he probably could just override the bots behavior and control them manually. 

 

I don't think you should be worried about having a bot following people in a party. Despite it being illegal, I doubt any bots ever get banned over it, simply because it's hard to be proven guilty without some sort of  automated detection. 

 

Shift follow dual client is still legal, however.

 

True, many players who level together in a party don't talk to strangers.  If they are higher level they don't care about the people needing help especially if they are on BMX3 or w/e.

 

If it is the same people playing ALL day, on lower level maps, or on easily farmable maps, replay it and send to GM via support ticket.

[foxySox]

Also, try to make 2 characters auto-follow each other. It will be a very fun thing to watch.

Once my friends and I had like 7+ people all autofollowing each other in a line, and we moved all over Pront for a little while before we got stuck in a corner. 

[WolfTri]

Really easy to tell if someone's botting or not. Only an idiot would jump to the conclusion of botting upon merely seeing characters autofollowing one. I often hold ~8 clients autofollowing the killer for event quests and such, and tabbing to the AB for party buffs. Multi-clienting and auto-follow, from what I know, are neither illegal nor discouraged. It is only problematic when people accuse you of botting (being the asshats they are). But then again, that isn't much of a problem if you don't take them seriously.

[allygator1]

You could also just get AHK and have your mouse input get mimic'ed on all clients.  More reactive than auto following and gets the job done better.  Just need to be careful about accidentally clicking on mobs, but that can be solved by moving by holding the mouse.  Also works great if you mimic keyboard commands and cast ground target aoe's. 

 

If you're running a bard and dancer combo you can set up the hotkeys to be exactly the same for both characters and mimic keyboard commands while auto following. You can song flash/duet flash for both characters really easily without needing to tab back and forth.  Its what I do when I use to do my roaming mental sensing parties.

[Name85738]

its hard to use that method even at low TI

Used my GX (SP& HP leech RC unlimited) to grind Exp while auto followed by my weak class.

most mob is avoiding my GX  and attack there auto follow alts.