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[LegendaryTorgue]

I don't see why having over-frequent of cash shop event is a bad thing. Everything you listed there are from the Cash shop, with the exception of +20 Food. The majority of Cash Shop items are significantly more expensive than the items you can normally obtain via gameplay. It's about as pay2win as it can get, since a lot of people cannot get anywherewithout at least shelling some cash for KP. The paying playerbase also have way too much of an advantage over a completely free to play players . And that's one of the factor why I think this game population will never grow much bigger than it is now. The majority of this year's anniversary events are also exclusive to the paying members, which may have made many F2P players feel alienated.

​I'd personally rather have the Enriched and Shadow staying permanently. The people who were away aren't missing much really, except the opportunity for their wallet to be emptied out by these event full of crappy RNGs.

​Instead of cash only event, I'd also rather have an actual event. The 12th anniversary coupon event was not bad at all last year. What happened to the south pront MvPs ? These non stop pay2win box and cash event made me feel like they are closing down the server soon and  cashing out big time.

 

The best of RO has always been a subscription model over the cash shop model. The memories of the past is probably what keeps many player playing today, despite how much worse it has become.

 

what the?

 

at one end you say pay to win is bad the server is dying cos of it, and then you say rather have enriched and shadow upgrade permanently up which is encouraging ptw? if you want the server to die maybe your comments do not belong here because that's not the point we are trying to make.

 

are you hitting yourself in the face?

 

also the best of RO is not subscription, there are many who have died even if ther are subscription model. it is how the game is managed. the game is poorly managed at the moment.

 

 

 

[Andini]

just like any other game or real life scenario, abuse what you can/cut your losses quick/lock in your profits and move on.  the ro market has always been messed up in at least one area probably up until a server started

 

it's actually become an absolute joke to make zeny in the game now with the refine events.  unfortunately you will need a base couple hundred million or 2-3k wpe (the larger pool the more you can make), but you can triple that easily with only slight luck needed

[Schizzler]

This is RO. You can make money two ways: Pay2Win, or -TheLongWayRoundtheMountain-

 

That being said, you can be a plutarch too!

 

TL;DR: The only "economy" in RO is amongst the plutarchs.

[DanaAtkinson]

what the?

 

at one end you say pay to win is bad the server is dying cos of it, and then you say rather have enriched and shadow upgrade permanently up which is encouraging ptw? if you want the server to die maybe your comments do not belong here because that's not the point we are trying to make.

 

are you hitting yourself in the face?

 

also the best of RO is not subscription, there are many who have died even if ther are subscription model. it is how the game is managed. the game is poorly managed at the moment.

 

 

There is no reason to be so salty. You probably don't have an idea how modern F2P games are managed today. I think iRO takes it a bit too far as far as the pay2win aspect of it, which discourage many F2P players.

​I would personally rather not have enriched hammer at all to begin with. But it has been here for a long time now. Today, there is a very huge gap of value between the Cash item and the items that normally obtained via gameplay. If cash shop items are made to be available permanently like the enriched hammer, then I would think the value gap between most in-game items and cash items would reduce, which will benefits F2P players and reducing Pay2win aspect of it. Take Heart Wing Hairband for example, they were in a box few months ago, and now they are worth more than many MvP cards today at +12.

​The OP was complaining that the cash shop items are made too available, and his cash shop stuffs are losing value because of it. Is this a bad thing? For a free to play player, I would say certainly not at all with the exception of +20 food market.

The best of RO to me and probably many players were during the subscription era, where there were no pay2win cash shop, no bots, and a lot of in-game event that didn't involve spending a lot of cash. F2P games are the bot's world, and the people are living in it.  
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[LegendaryTorgue]

There is no reason to be so salty. You probably don't have an idea how modern F2P games are managed today. I think iRO takes it a bit too far as far as the pay2win aspect of it, which discourage many F2P players.

​I would personally rather not have enriched hammer at all to begin with. But it has been here for a long time now. Today, there is a very huge gap of value between the Cash item and the items that normally obtained via gameplay. If cash shop items are made to be available permanently like the enriched hammer, then I would think the value gap between most in-game items and cash items would reduce, which will benefits F2P players and reducing Pay2win aspect of it. Take Heart Wing Hairband for example, they were in a box few months ago, and now they are worth more than many MvP cards today at +12.

​The OP was complaining that the cash shop items are made too available, and his cash shop stuffs are losing value because of it. Is this a bad thing? For a free to play player, I would say certainly not at all with the exception of +20 food market.

The best of RO to me and probably many players were during the subscription era, where there were no pay2win cash shop, no bots, and a lot of in-game event that didn't involve spending a lot of cash. F2P games are the bot's world, and the people are living in it.  
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Wow, just cos someone feels something isn't right makes them salty?

 

I've achieved more in RO than you can ever do and have been here for longer than you so I think I know what I am talking about more than you do for RO.

 

For HWHB it's effects are better than a few mvp cards, so it's value deserves to be more. Just cos something is an MVP card does not in anyway gurantee it gives a good effect and hence means nothing of its value. The problem therefore not the HWHB, but the MVP card. Wanna complain? Go ask for the MVP card to have better effects, dont ask to nerf the HWHB or complain about it.

 

There are plenty of subscription servers for a multitude of games that have still died anyway. If you think being subscription gets rid of bots, you are sorely mistaken and naive.

 

This thread is about how GMs are manipulating the market -______________-

[Usernamedenied]

Wow, just cos someone feels something isn't right makes them salty?

 

I've achieved more in RO than you can ever do and have been here for longer than you so I think I know what I am talking about more than you do for RO.

 

For HWHB it's effects are better than a few mvp cards, so it's value deserves to be more. Just cos something is an MVP card does not in anyway gurantee it gives a good effect and hence means nothing of its value. The problem therefore not the HWHB, but the MVP card. Wanna complain? Go ask for the MVP card to have better effects, dont ask to nerf the HWHB or complain about it.

 

There are plenty of subscription servers for a multitude of games that have still died anyway. If you think being subscription gets rid of bots, you are sorely mistaken and naive.

 

This thread is about how GMs are manipulating the market -______________-

I don't think GMs are even capable of wilfully manipulating the market lol. They can't even customize paramarket to suit the servers needs.

 

What Dana is saying has a lot of merit. If enriched and shadow refine becomes permanent, then the price of +9 gears will become cheaper over time. Basically, the game will be less pay to win.

[Nirvanna21]

I don't think GMs are even capable of wilfully manipulating the market lol. They can't even customize paramarket to suit the servers needs.

 

What Dana is saying has a lot of merit. If enriched and shadow refine becomes permanent, then the price of +9 gears will become cheaper over time. Basically, the game will be less pay to win.

 

That's because the server had no need for the paramarket. If anything we could use a sink for items as we just have way too many as is.

[OniichanN]

I'm enjoying my OP p2win cute hats. Costume:GF recruiter pls, I need that in my life.

[3809151027155131517]

Lol so much crying about people who Pay2Win.

 

Very simple reason why we have a lot of these cash items readily available. 

 

And that is for people like me who don't have time to farm, because yeah I have a job. 

 

And some of you here don't, and sit all day farming. 

 

Talk about balancing, say what??

 

Need I explain further??? 

[ZeroTigress]

Lol so much crying about people who Pay2Win.

Very simple reason why we have a lot of these cash items readily available.

And that is for people like me who don't have time to farm, because yeah I have a job.

And some of you here don't, and sit all day farming.

Talk about balancing, say what??

Need I explain further???

Translation: "I don't have time to play MMORPGs and I actually hate playing them the way they're meant to be played so give me everything for cash."

Sad thing is, the genre is actually bending to the will of this niche of players.

[Schizzler]

Lol so much crying about people who Pay2Win.

 

Very simple reason why we have a lot of these cash items readily available. 

 

And that is for people like me who don't have time to farm, because yeah I have a job. 

 

And some of you here don't, and sit all day farming. 

 

Talk about balancing, say what??

 

Need I explain further??? 

 

Heheh, and I'm guessing you might be one of those people complaining about having to pay upwards of 500 mill for a single Bako Tatt... I seriously wonder, gaming in the old days involved buying a game outright; then it "evolved" into subscriptions which makes the player base pay for the game many times over. And now there is P2W things... Best real-world money cow yet devised... I like gaming, and am willing to pay for a game outright. Heheh, but I am not willing to hand my hard-earned money out indefinitely. 

 

TL:DR: Impatience is the best money-pit in human nature.

Translation: "I don't have time to play MMORPGs and I actually hate playing them the way they're meant to be played so give me everything for cash."

Sad thing is, the genre is actually bending to the will of this niche of players.

 

Indeed. In all honesty though, I think this guy's trollin'. XD

[Kusanagisama]

Translation: "I don't have time to play MMORPGs and I actually hate playing them the way they're meant to be played so give me everything for cash."

Sad thing is, the genre is actually bending to the will of this niche of players.

 

Yes, because MMOs haven't evolved AT ALL since they started at Ultima Online back in the 1990's.

[mildcontempt]

I'd argue they devolved, and I'm also a person with a full time serious 8-5 job who has less and less time to play video games. 

 

edit: also, @ "started with ultima online" how dare you sir

Edited by mildcontempt, 30 June 2016 - 12:01 PM.

[louisn1234]

Honestly if these guy pay to win by buying wpe still acceptable to me. What I realised is they are not paying warpportal, but doing rmt, using those zeny to buy cheap kp item. See how warpportal struggling get enough revenue now. I am purely sure it is because illegal rmt widespread in this server.

[ZeroTigress]

Yes, because MMOs haven't evolved AT ALL since they started at Ultima Online back in the 1990's.

Evolved in terms of graphics, yes. As for the basic role-playing game with multiplayer features, not that much. If anything, many people who claim to like MMORPGs are actually looking for an MOBA experience. The amount of time investment is what separates MMORPGs from other genres of games and yet people are trying to change MMORPGs to be like other genres. What's the point of having different genres of games if everyone's forcing games into one genre?

Edited by ZeroTigress, 30 June 2016 - 02:21 PM.

[cory]

Evolved in terms of graphics, yes. As for the basic role-playing game with multiplayer features, not that much. If anything, many people who claim to like MMORPGs are actually looking for an MOBA experience. The amount of time investment is what separates MMORPGs from other genres of games and yet people are trying to change MMORPGs to be like other genres. What's the point of having different genres of games if everyone's forcing games into one genre?

 

People love gramps because it's a PVM arena, only with the grind and cute headgears.  

[ShinobiEX3]

Evolved in terms of graphics, yes. As for the basic role-playing game with multiplayer features, not that much. If anything, many people who claim to like MMORPGs are actually looking for an MOBA experience. The amount of time investment is what separates MMORPGs from other genres of games and yet people are trying to change MMORPGs to be like other genres. What's the point of having different genres of games if everyone's forcing games into one genre?

Agree 100%

[Kusanagisama]

Evolved in terms of graphics, yes. As for the basic role-playing game with multiplayer features, not that much. If anything, many people who claim to like MMORPGs are actually looking for an MOBA experience. The amount of time investment is what separates MMORPGs from other genres of games and yet people are trying to change MMORPGs to be like other genres. What's the point of having different genres of games if everyone's forcing games into one genre?

 

People are just trying to adjust games they like to be more of their liking... exactly the same that you are doing, except that you and him tottally disagree in which direction the game should change. This is not seeking a MOBA experience, which has absolutely nothing to do with playing an RPG. A MOBA is fully competitive, while a MMO should have some competitive moments, some colaborative moments and sometimes where you just want to play solo. Some grinding here, some history play there, a lot going on about character growth and build, and that MOBAs cannot get even close in emulating, mainly because of the time window for every single game. No matter how hard you change a MMO, it will never get close to a MOBA experience.

 

Also, I tottally disagree with your opinion when you say that they haven't evolved that much in gameplay. Of course they keep much of what defines the gender, because, well... because that's what define the gender, but you cannot compare what it used to be - even old times classic ragnarok, whith no history quests, to what most MMOs are nowadays. Ragnarok tried to go in the same direction, but couldn't do it right... maybe because this game's playerbase didn't want it to. Nonetheless, Ragarok, as well as other MMOs will keep changing to adjust to players' preferences, and your opinion of what an MMO is or should be, and what it shouldn't be is not worth a penny more than his, no matter how hard you try to disqualify it by saying that he shouldn't be playing this gender of games. What is to become of the game will be defined by a multitude of opinions from different players saying what they like and what they don't like of a game. What game a person should play or not, whatever their cirscunstances may be is for them alone to define, not for you.

Edited by Kusanagisama, 30 June 2016 - 10:10 PM.

[OniichanN]

gender

 

Genre is the word you're looking for. Otherwise, nice post bby.
 

[3809151027155131517]

@ZeroTigress

No your wrong, I love to play farm and hunt but just didnt have the time to farm and make zenny. So I buy wpe and sell kp convert to zenny. I farm in the real world and yeah its the legal form of rmt to buy kp from warpportal.

They have to make money too you know, do you think warportal stuff work for charity? LOL

But I agree, what ever they did just recently is abit too much it crushed the market.

I used to make at least 100m a piece selling +9 gears. I stopped and just sell ores now.

Just enjoy the game and stop the hate.

[PervySageMarty]

MMORPG= Many Men Online Role Playing Girls

[OniichanN]

MMORPG= Many Men Online Role Playing Girls

 

Baby, did you try that other one where you literally play a loli. Hot daym... I'd say more but PG13 and all that.