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[PervySageMarty]

You don't dump the entire bag on it tho

Oh...woops!! Oh well the roast beef is still edible in the end.

[Kadelia]

At least your class can wear Temporal Boots and stuff like that,lol...

 

there is a couple alternatives expandeds can wear though... besides, originally transcended class could wear transcend only gears and expanded classes could not, so this shouldn't be a new have not situation for expandeds...

[Hissis]

there is a couple alternatives expandeds can wear though... besides, originally transcended class could wear transcend only gears and expanded classes could not, so this shouldn't be a new have not situation for expandeds...

 

Yeah,like Enchanced Variant Shoes,Silverleather and... other crap stuff.

 

Pre renew used to be waaaaay more balanced for expanded classes,we could not wear variant shoes or nid but we used to have more useful options (and higher HP...).

 

I don't really care about the other trans gear (like valk armor),it's more because temporal boots = godly :/ . Those boots can make a huge difference,specially when we are 15 levels behind (and we don't even know when kRO is going to send the lvl update)

[Kusanagisama]

Pre renew used to be waaaaay more balanced for all classes

 

Fixed.

[Kadelia]

I don't really agree with much of what was said here. Historically to my knowledge, expandeds had pretty low hp compared to trans, so I don't think your statement to the contrary is correct. valk shoes, diabolus shoes, variants were all superior to what an expanded could wear. I am not sure what the better alternative you're referencing is, maybe you can clarify.

Also pre-renewal was not balanced either. Expandeds were useless except for dual client soul libk use (still the case) and tkm heat (still works well). PVP was a one hit KO-fest with edp sonic blow. MVPs were still dominated by the same classes (chemists,sins,knights).

The only thing that is truly different is the homogenization of the AoE and party buff or debuff roles, with all classes having some kind of ability to do so. But only the same classes who excelled at those roles pre-renewal still do (mostly).

Edited by Kadelia, 25 July 2016 - 10:53 AM.

[mildcontempt]

On the topic of the Crimson weapons, I've been digging around but hitting a wall with some of the google-fu translation stuff and the unreliability of certain websites' claims. 

 

Does any one know for certain about the following two things:

 

1) The extra attack per base level, does it apply for all 175 base levels or just the ones starting after 70? 

 

2) For the refine bonus, is it seriously the refine level squared with no detriment or is there something like slaughter where it is refine minus X then squared? 

[Ashuckel]

after 70

just squared

[mildcontempt]

Thanks m80. 

 

I'm left to agree with Kaddy, that the weapons are not immediately the bestestest. The possibility of them being elementally endowed is mostly irrelevant (and in some cases, a detriment) because of converters + mild wind headgear, unless they come in the rare holy/shadow/ghost elements. 

 

The magic ones (staves) seem the most promising given the level 70 pre-req, and I do believe non-trans can use them as well. 

 

Looking at the katar's performance versus the Thana, the Thana katar is outright better until we get to +11 or higher range at which point the square root + extra card slot can put the crimson over the edge. 

 

This is balanced somewhat with EDP favoring wATK over eATK. Still, these are a nice alternative you can get via enemy drops, though they basically invalidate the entirety of the basic weapons (slotted versions of NPC bought weapons) for anything other than cert fodder. Not that I mind terribly, the eden weapons already did that. 

 

Edit: Hey, supernovices finally get some decent weapons outside of the RWC/Glorious/Bellum stuff that they can level with. That's neat, I guess. Too bad daggers have their MATK bonus halved. 

Edited by mildcontempt, 25 July 2016 - 11:51 AM.

[Sewasan]

He is not using a crimson weapon tho, and is using 2 kk wl cards on a sunflower boy, Plus no casting time on CR is freaking nice hahahahaha

[Hissis]

I don't really agree with much of what was said here. Historically to my knowledge, expandeds had pretty low hp compared to trans, so I don't think your statement to the contrary is correct. valk shoes, diabolus shoes, variants were all superior to what an expanded could wear. I am not sure what the better alternative you're referencing is, maybe you can clarify.

Also pre-renewal was not balanced either. Expandeds were useless except for dual client soul libk use (still the case) and tkm heat (still works well). PVP was a one hit KO-fest with edp sonic blow. MVPs were still dominated by the same classes (chemists,sins,knights).

The only thing that is truly different is the homogenization of the AoE and party buff or debuff roles, with all classes having some kind of ability to do so. But only the same classes who excelled at those roles pre-renewal still do (mostly).

 

Gunslinger HP pre renew | 40 VIT | LVL 99 | NO GEARS = 6359 (Stat Simulator of course)

 

Champ HP pre renew | 40 VIT | LVL 99 | NO GEARS = 9438

 

'' '' '' Using Matyr card = 6994

 

'' '' '' Using Variant Shoes = 11.325

 

Renewal 

 

Rebel HP | 100 VIT | NO GEARS = less than 20k ( Rebel/Kagerou HP is almost the same ***** with more HP stuff,specially the Rebel HP)

 

Sura HP | 100 VIT | NO GEARS = 44k ( Sura HP is stupid higher with more HP stuff )

 

Yeah,Pre renew was broken -___-

 

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Talking about '' expanded class were useless'',well,as far as i remember i could.

 

-  PVP/WoE as Ninja/Gunslinger without the need of 2b+ ALT Q (Kagerou can PVP fine JUST because we have RT).

 

-  Get groups for leveling

 

-  Reach max lvl.

 

- Kill MVPs as SL/TKM/Guns/Ninja

 

- ETC

 

Sonic Blow used to be OP due to the Bots selling 'cheap' EDP and the bunch of Dual Client for SL. I can talk the entire day about how pre renew is balanced comparing to the Renew (Debuff System is a good example)

 

Of course pre renew was not balanced but at least i could play the game with the class that i like,MVP's used to be hard and i could level in any map.

 

Not even worth to talk about Renew MVP MDEF,Super Novice being useless (i know they used to be useless before but now is dumb to play with).

Edited by Hissis, 25 July 2016 - 03:02 PM.

[Sigma1]

Central lab instance in EP 15.2 is quite interesting. This instance is just simple. Using zeny to create instance and enter to kill 3 consecutive bosses. The bosses are summoned randomly, from Mastering to FBH, etc. (someone said high-end bosses like Valk, Beel, bio3 can be summoned too but I don't sure about that) But there is a low chance to summon normal mobs too.

[fuyukikun]

i saw maestro video soloing beez in that instance, so beez is included. the good part is it covers other MVP like leak, tanee, and friends. good if you are bored with ET MVPs.

[Ashuckel]

mvp list

http://www.inven.co....idx=1951&l=2878

[hashtagplus4]

Central lab instance in EP 15.2 is quite interesting. This instance is just simple. Using zeny to create instance and enter to kill 3 consecutive bosses. The bosses are summoned randomly, from Mastering to FBH, etc. (someone said high-end bosses like Valk, Beel, bio3 can be summoned too but I don't sure about that) But there is a low chance to summon normal mobs too.

 

Is this instance solo only or can be party?

 

Will they update the trans job exp here in iRO too?

[fuyukikun]

Is this instance solo only or can be party?

 

Will they update the trans job exp here in iRO too?

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