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#1 Vieira

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Posted 22 July 2016 - 05:16 PM

"you can not make an omelette without breaking eggs"

That was the explanation I heard about the class nerf .

I stopped and thought, " so many broken eggs and omelette that never comes".

I played with Dragoon and he was nerf , passed to the Ninja and he was nerf , I created a Sorcerer and then passed into the Earth Master who was also nerf . I will return to the Sorcerer , which although weak, is really fun , I believe he will not be nerf ( maybe).

Another detail , it is a matter of balance,

why the sorcerer is so weak compared to the other classes?
Why Jumeaux blocks almost everything ?

Why Overlord is so strong ?

If it's a matter of not solo Elga , Invoker will also be nerf ? Destroyer will also be nerf ?

 

And really, is not the end of the world to change the Smart Shot for Shot Helix , although Shaman not equal Monk / Wizard because they can walk while attack , but yes, it was a big change in class. Are changes like this that make people stop playing the game, this happened to Dragoon, happened to Ninja, and will happen to Earth Master and the next (I hope there is no next).

 

And no, it's not a drama, just want to know, when this omelette will come?





 


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#2 Agitodesu

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Posted 22 July 2016 - 05:50 PM

The omelette will come when it is cooked.

 

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Almost there though :]

 

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Do it too fast and no one will like it :[


Edited by Agitodesu, 22 July 2016 - 05:51 PM.

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#3 AreYouOkay

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Posted 22 July 2016 - 05:52 PM

Edit: You are not allowed to revert changes made by Staff or Moderators. For this violation of our rules of conduct you will be set on 2 days probation where all of your future posts are moderated and have to be reviewed by a Staff Members or Moderator first.

 

 


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#4 Agitodesu

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Posted 22 July 2016 - 06:16 PM

Right now is not the time for such things, because the element system will change when it does come out. If you really want an accurate answer, it will be after Arcadia is released. I'm also refraining myself to offer suggestions because of that change since elements are a big part of balancing along with the new rune system.

 

Edit: Let me tell you that my comment above basically summarizes everything that will happen. You should consider thinking about it. Let me help you out though since you think it's trolling and didn't bat an eye.

 

1. It's done when it's done. Popcorn does not have 1000 arms and 4000 people working for him. Don't expect changes to be pushed instantly.

2. We are almost there. Arcadia will come out soon, and after testing out such balancing with the pvp system, we can then ooffer suggestions.

3. Do it too fast and it no one will like it. If popcorn rushes things and we are disrespectful, his effort will not be at 100%. Thus things being popped out won't be very amusing to anyone.

 

This answered your main question on "when will this omelette come?", all your other questions are basically in the same category on when the balancing will be done.

 

So please reconsider judging books (or comment in this case) by it's cover.


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#5 Vieira

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Posted 22 July 2016 - 09:13 PM

No, you did not answer my questions.

I did not say I wanted immediate changes , but the game is there a long time , many eggs have been broken and the changes were usually for the worse. I say this not only by nerf in some classes , if the goal is to balance between the classes , Why, for example, held down X if it benefits only a few classes? And all my questions are in the air long before the Arcadia project.
But let's wait to see what all this is going, it is what is left for us.

How about: "It's done when it's done
", I waited for an intelligent answer , not for something like this .



 


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Posted 22 July 2016 - 09:36 PM

No, you did not answer my questions.

I did not say I wanted immediate changes , but the game is there a long time , many eggs have been broken and the changes were usually for the worse. I say this not only by nerf in some classes , if the goal is to balance between the classes , Why, for example, held down X if it benefits only a few classes? And all my questions are in the air long before the Arcadia project.
But let's wait to see what all this is going, it is what is left for us.

How about: "It's done when it's done
", I waited for an intelligent answer , not for something like this .



 

 

I went and did exactly what you did with characters. I think that no matter how much changes you make to the characters, the game will never be equal due to having different classes with different skill. Changes are ok, if it is to balance the game. Problem is not the characters, itself but the continues abuse that's been happening in BSQ with 1 particular guild always and I meant always, calling their guildies and dual pc, because they are getting rekt always, so they just dual pc to have 4 or 5 extras in bsq when they are getting rekt. At the last 4 or 5 minutes is when they come to troll BSQ and is always same players, the left over duping characters they have in low levels xd.

 

Anyways, I think that both Priest and Twins need a nerf, but they should really place some efforts to bsq area since is the place people gather the most, too bad that duping guild still around with enhanced skills and trolling XD. Won't mention the guild, because they always look for me to kill me xd, I have a group of stalkers XD.


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Posted 22 July 2016 - 11:45 PM

Past changes have nothing to do with our team.

 

Summoners need nerfs, there's no other way around it. Mostly dmg-wise, can't buff other classes to that dmg level cause it would break the game. Other classes also need changes, but that has very little to do with summoners or this latest change so why are you bringing them up. I also think they were quite clear, this was not a balance change but one to fix abuse.

 

Auto x-spam has brought joy to players of all classes, I've seen many dragoons for example hack away with it cause it's kind of fun. It made a few classes more enjoyable, fair and healthy to play. One of the best changes in the game ever. Not every change effects everyone however and that's fine.

 

Finally, I have no idea what the purpose of this topic is or what you want with it. Just calm down a little, it was not a big change. I dunno how it feels in pve since summoners are quite slow to start and finish the x-spam, so re-positioning might feel quite awkward. That's the only legitimate concern I can see, and I'm sure someone tested that before it was implemented so it should be fine. If it ends up being an issue there's ways other than bringing homing back that could fix it I'm sure.


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#8 Vieira

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Posted 23 July 2016 - 04:53 AM

I think ridiculous to say that the skill was nerf because of abuse, if it was made is to be used, there was nothing to fix. I see all who do not play with the class finding the wonderful change, but I wanted to see if change were to take the movement of the Invoker when he uses Double Shot or Diffusion Cannon, for one or the other is always on, in view of them that should be an abuse, no?
The purpose of the topic is whether they know that we have any questions, which are unfortunately ignored or answered incompletely. I wish they came and spoke: yes, we saw your questions and we will answer them one by one, already knew of these problems and are working to resolve, because yes, it is a necessary resolution, or simply not, your points is not logical and the game will continue the way it is, full of problems.


 


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#9 BlackDragonLord

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Posted 23 July 2016 - 06:57 AM

(To 9870160116101011287) About the part you say "if it was made to be used, there was nothing to fix." the classes were created by the previous developers and they did not think that they could be abused in any way until some time passed and it became obvious that something was not fine. They might have not even test them. Luckily we have a pretty good team that sees the problems and they work on them as much as they can. (Now I am talking to everyone. This might be a bit off the topic but I think some people need to understand.) I'm sick of posts that have to do with this skill change of the Summoner class. This skill change is experimental! Do you know what does this mean? They just test out this change to see how it will go. If it goes well it will stay like this , if it seems to be bad they will change it. (To the number man again) Now, you say the purpose of this topic is whether they know that we have questions or not. Yes they know that we have questions, they read them and they answer the questions they can answer. There are things they should not say right away without thinking and talking with the Dragon Saga team. They also make Q&A livestreams where we ask questions and they answer them. They also read our suggestions even if they don't reply. And as Agitodesu said before, Mr. Popcorn does not have 1000 arms and 4000 people working for him, he does everything he can do and i am greatful for that.


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Posted 23 July 2016 - 07:58 AM

I think ridiculous to say that the skill was nerf because of abuse, if it was made is to be used, there was nothing to fix

 

I think this discussion has to end immediately. You're not in the position to clearly see when something is abused and therefore I would appreciate if you stop to question our decision. Also since this topic has no contribution and it's only purpose is to agitate the community and to question staff decisions I will lock this topic. Please refrain from making another topic regarding this.

 

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