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#1 nitaant

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Posted 05 August 2016 - 06:34 AM

I was hoping to enjoy something like a stronger ME priest (more defense) and have a character exclusively for hunting shadow/undead.

 

but i hear that GC formula is no good in renewal.

 

are there no specific equipments for it? What about genesis ray. i read somewhere you can solo with it but then also read that you cant.

 

do i just have to end up making a ME priest?


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#2 MintRoyale

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Posted 05 August 2016 - 06:48 AM

Any monster will die if you do damage and hit it enough times.

 

The question is that it being viable or not, and GC is not viable enough to justify fast efficient farming at good enough gain/benefit ratios.

 

If the monster is weak to fire, a DB RK is good. If it needs enchanting with holy, the prolly a ranger is better with arrows and traps.

 

ME priest is not very viable for farming.

 

Genesis ray is not good.

 

 


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Posted 05 August 2016 - 06:52 AM

GC hitbox is still bugged '-'
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Posted 05 August 2016 - 06:56 AM

As in can get 4 hits instead of 3?


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Posted 05 August 2016 - 07:04 AM

As it can get 0 hits sometimes '-'

The damage is good, the atk part is more valuable than the matk one, and it can be "double endowed" like Arm Cannon, so if u aspersio urself you will deal even more damage to undead/shadow enemies.

Its possible to lvl and use this skill as a sader/paladin yes, but its not really reliable with the bugs on its hits.
Not mentioning it always takes 20% of your max HP away+damages yourseld for a fraction of the damage you deal every cast.
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Posted 05 August 2016 - 07:09 AM

is it like this in jro/kro too.


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Posted 05 August 2016 - 07:20 AM

the bug on the hits the skill does got fixed only this year on kRO (yes the skill was bugged for 12 years '-')

 

can't tell if jRO ever fixed the hits anytime soon

the skill itself works the same way on any server


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Posted 05 August 2016 - 07:30 AM

Having recently (like 1 month ago) leveled to RG with a Crusader and then Paladin both using GC, I can only advise to stay the hell away. I ended up just reflect+autocast leveling near the end of my last 3 job levels because of how obnoxious the hitbox on it is. When it works right, it'll do good damage and wipe a mob. When it fails, and lord does it fail often, you'll sit there like a doofus wasting SP/HP items recasting it over and over as you get hit locked. 


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Posted 06 August 2016 - 04:41 AM

it;s good skill,

after resetting multiple times i finally understand that skill

the skill formula seems weird to me, probably works like Arm Cannon

 

but i lvled my other pala to rg using that skill,  with 20k GC per hit to bunch of nub undeads in GH, 

who need 3-5 hits? if you can ohko them with only 1 hit  :heh:

then as RG, by job lv 2-6, i able to unlock Piety. makes your armor holy element

makes you immune to GC negative effect, so you can still use your armor like tao or anything

GC also works with eddga and BP, and the way you tank while casting that skill it makes BP procs so often

Guard proc doesnt cancel GC skill while it does on other skills- even lvl 10 one works like a charm for grandcrossing

 

MATK part element is holy , so if you cast it on normal/other element mobs it does silly damage, but this part is dominant in gc formula

ATK part is pseudo elemental, you can use converter but it will increase only some part of it

MATK part works better for undead, pump a lot of matk will increase the damage by a lot to undead / weak to holy monsters ( tested with RM boot )

while ATK part works better for normal / other element mobs because of converter lol  :heh:

 

for normal type, i lvled my rg in nogg using Giant Shield + Earth Drive till 125

the only downside of this skill is i need to go back to entrance every 10 mins, just to recast FCP

the rest is good, with shield spell lv 1, elemental advantage and some tricks, it can jump to 60-70k AoE in abyss lake 2 

i lved there until 140

 


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Posted 21 August 2016 - 10:09 AM

It is a very viable build if geared right. As Ashuckel has noted ATK is more important than MATK in most cases but also as Silvianna has argued, the Matk portion is good against undead and shadow element monsters regardless of MDEF.

You would usually couple this skill together with Earth Drive as ED will always decrease a mobs DEF/ATK by 25% upon contact.

different from Silvianna though I use sacred mission shield swap.
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Posted 25 August 2016 - 01:32 AM

b-b-b-butttt with giant shield skill damage formula goes to 1680% x (base lv/100)

while sac mission gives you 960%

 

not mention if you use 3x either size/racial card on your RTE , both gc and ed damage will be sooooo lovely

( now im using Elemental Sword for gc and mostly Robot Arm for ED )


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Posted 25 August 2016 - 05:19 AM

racials work with renewal gc? prior tests between me and RaohSung only confirmed magic racials, if it now works with physical racials this can open up a completely new path to GC gameplay!
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Posted 25 August 2016 - 05:21 AM

i use ED as a debuff skill to be honest, that 25% reduction is more important to me than the actual damage, but i see where your coming from.
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Posted 25 August 2016 - 05:27 AM

It always worked
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Posted 25 August 2016 - 05:43 AM

thats like the best news to me, next to finding out cinnamod has finally visited my profile after 2 months of not visiting it.
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Posted 25 August 2016 - 06:01 AM

prety sure that was a missclick


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Posted 25 August 2016 - 03:04 PM

prety sure that was a missclick

 

ahahahahaha  :heh:  :p_laugh:

 

yupp racial works 


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Posted 25 August 2016 - 07:33 PM

Then I challenge you SIlvianna to a GC-off!!


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Posted 25 August 2016 - 11:37 PM

:p_err:  :p_err:

 

challenge accepted,

but do it as Pally/Crus not RG, not fair if you use your OP gears  :p_ang:  :rice:


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Posted 26 August 2016 - 01:37 AM

I dont have OP gears.


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Posted 26 August 2016 - 03:55 AM

I wanna see a vid of it including gears used for the face off =D


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Posted 09 September 2016 - 02:03 PM

ohkay are we still doing this? We need to make a rule that outside of Faith lvl 10 we are not allowed any holy reduction gears.


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Posted 13 September 2016 - 04:59 PM

okay ill add another rule, no RG class

maximum is lv 99 paladin for both of us

 

btw you are the AB guy sometimes hang out in geffen,

the one were looking for zealotus tame item ?


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Posted 14 September 2016 - 08:59 AM

yeah that was me.
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Posted 14 September 2016 - 08:52 PM

common i want screenies guys

 

i want to see if i can use my RG to kill T.W.O. with GC.

 

also can someone confirm if GC works with leech gears too

 

tnx


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