Crimson Katars VS Elemental Katars
#1
Posted 19 August 2016 - 02:58 AM
#2
Posted 19 August 2016 - 05:08 AM
I'll be riding in this thread sorry,
Crimson katar effects looks good,
For those who did the math,
Is it enough to replace my +12 Thanatos Katar[AK] ?
#3
Posted 19 August 2016 - 05:43 AM
They are definitely better than the elemental katars, by leagues; They only beat the Thana at higher refine rates (+10 or more).
They'll be particularly nice for non 120 STR builds, I think, as the majority of their attack is from eATK.
#4
Posted 19 August 2016 - 07:51 AM
These values are at lvl 175 ofc.
155 str total (120 str build)
+7 Thanatos
395~525 wATK *EDP= 1975~2625
+9 Thanatos
409~567 wATK *EDP= 2045~2835
+12 Thanatos
430~630 wATK *EDP= 2150~3150
+7 Crimson
246~301 wATK *EDP=1230~1505
50+49= 99 eATK *EDP= 396
wATK+eATK= 1626~1901
+9 Crimson
256~327 wATK *EDP=1280~1635
50+63= 113 eATK *EDP= 452
wATK+eATK= 1732~2087
+12 Crimson
271~366 wATK *EDP=1355~1830
50+144= 194 *EDP= 776
wATK+eATK= 2131~2606
125 str total (90 str build)
+7 Thanatos
362~492 wATK *EDP= 1810~2460
+9 Thanatos
376~534 wATK *EDP= 1880~2670
+12 Thanatos
397~597 wATK *EDP= 1985~2985
+7 Crimson
226~281 wATK *EDP= 1130~1405
50+49= 99 eATK *EDP= 396
wATK+eATK= 1526~1801
+9 Crimson
236~307 wATK *EDP= 1180~1535
50+63= 113 eATK *EDP= 452
wATK+eATK= 1632~1987
+12 Crimson
251~346 wATK *EDP= 1255~1730
50+144= 194 eATK *EDP= 776
wATK+eATK= 2031~2506
Edited by Ashuckel, 19 August 2016 - 07:53 AM.
#5
Posted 19 August 2016 - 08:04 AM
The thing that will push them over the edge over Thana, IMO, is the 2nd card slot. Given we get 20% from advanced katar mastery, one could mix n match with AK and size/racial/elemental card for an ideal katar, or just go double AK for a total of 1.7x boost to attack power.
#6
Posted 19 August 2016 - 08:08 AM
Up to +11 Thanatos wins considering weapon alone
At +12 they are equal
+13 or more, crimson starts to get a little ahead, not that great difference tho
#7
Posted 19 August 2016 - 08:13 AM
No it isn't, but it's something I guess. I'll probably still use my AK Thana for RC because the leech effect is actually really nice. Though these will make for very nice holy/shadow weapons. In the previous thread I mentioned how crimson weapons won't be _amazing_, but good. I still hold that view, but with the realization that you can use them from base level 1 -- it will make the mace, dagger, sword, and bow verrrrrrrrry useful for leveling. edit: apparently that's an error, have to be base 70 to use the weapons.
I personally think the mace and the dagger will be very nice, and the staff/rod. The katar will replace inverse scale/unholy touch, but thana + converter will probably be better as a general weapon (I wouldn't want to make 5 or more +11 weapons with various elements loaded with AK cards.)
Still, the JdR will make rolling cutter great again (or more great, rather).
edit: oh right, I guess if we consider that equip attack bypasses the size reduction mod, there may be some circumstances where the crimson would deal significantly more damage than a thana on large or small enemies specifically.
Edited by mildcontempt, 19 August 2016 - 12:07 PM.
#8
Posted 19 August 2016 - 08:18 AM
But the leech effect is indeed nice :v
Also, Megs wont change the comparison result, i calcd :b
Edit: that was vs Medium, if ur target is small/big, crimson gets an extra edge
Edited by Ashuckel, 19 August 2016 - 08:21 AM.
#9
Posted 19 August 2016 - 08:34 AM
I used my actual setup for my comparisons, and I typically only calculate median variance for overrefine (as its random, anyway), and I found Crimson would win at +9 or so assuming you put 2 AK cards in it and were attacking boss flagged monsters.
Still, JdR uber alles. It combined with two white knightage cards will have me verrrrrrrrry happy. Then, if I can get my hands on a Kiel to get that "almost 193" RC per second, oh my oh my.
Edited by mildcontempt, 19 August 2016 - 08:35 AM.
#10
Posted 19 August 2016 - 01:42 PM
#11
Posted 19 August 2016 - 01:46 PM
These ones are much better ofc
#12
Posted 19 August 2016 - 03:46 PM
Only the holy one is worth it, IMO, and only on certain bosses. If need be, just ele convert it -- better than refining and carding multiple weapons.
I could also see getting a fire ele one and carding it with double insecticide specifically for leveling on centipedes -> scaraba, but I think the hp leech effect of thana is better than the extra damage. Especially since EDP makes normal mobs a joke.
#13
Posted 19 August 2016 - 04:52 PM
#14
Posted 19 August 2016 - 05:11 PM
I go all out on leech stuff, maximum cheapness $_$
(also, sp leech 2gud, at least until I/we get that headgear costume sp leech enchant)
Edited by mildcontempt, 19 August 2016 - 05:12 PM.
#15
Posted 19 August 2016 - 05:13 PM
I survive well enough with just thana katar+blood sucker, so i guess malicious set can replace it perfectly fine. Can switch to vana from time to time to just proc it once, no problem
#16
Posted 20 August 2016 - 11:24 AM
Do these outclass those KVM katars?
#17
Posted 20 August 2016 - 12:07 PM
never
#18
Posted 23 August 2016 - 04:04 PM
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