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#1 Campitor

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Posted 21 September 2016 - 10:30 AM

The studio would like to work with the players to create an implementation plan that works for both the players and the studio. So we would like to propose that all shadow items become in game content earned through adventuring and discovery.
 
Introducing the Shadow Analyzer!
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Acquired through a short quest. This mid headgear when worn allows players to see monster shadows living on another plane of existence. Giving monsters a chance to drop their shadow which may then be turned into a piece of shadow gear appropriate for that monster.
 
Example:
If you wear this while fighting Marc's you will have a chance to get parts of the Unfrozen Shadow Set.
If you wear this while fighting Thanatos you will have a chance to get parts of the Penetration Shadow Set.
 
As part of this change the following would happen.
  • All Shadow Items would be blocked in PVP Environments.
  • Shadow Items would be removed from the Kafra Shop.
  • Shadow Items become account bound
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Sets:
Melee Sets
Physical - All Monsters
 
Cast Delay Set
Reload Set
 
Caster Sets
Magical - All Monsters
Caster Set 1
Spellflow Set
Caster Set 2
 
HP/SP Sets
Hard Champion - Pupa Thief Bug Egg
Big Set
Medium Set
Small Set
 
HP/SP Drain
Spiritual Set
Malicious Set
 
Attack Set
Kingbird Ancient - Archer Skeleton
Critical Hit Set
Infinity Set
Solid set
Blitz Set
Force
Enhanced Force
Titan
Boned
Gigantic
 
Mattack Set
Spirit Set
Enhanced Spirit Set
 
Autocast
Coldbolt
Firebolt
Lightning Bolt
Earth Spike
 
Stat Sets
Power Set
Int Set
Vital Set
Atheletic Set
Dexterous Set
Lucky Set
Bearers
 
MDEF/Def Sets
Resist Athena Set
Immuned Athena - Thara Frog
Immortal Set
 
Element Resist Set
Basis
Hallowed
Saharic
Underness
Flame
Windy
Envenom
Damned
Geist
Divine
 
Flee Sets
Hasty Set
Blitz 2 Set
 
EXP Sets
Beginner
Rookie
Advanced
Expert
 
 
Racial Sets
Bloody Cranial Set
Liberation Safe Guard Set
Chemical Cadi Set
Clamorous Brutal Set
Insecticide Gargantua Set
Fisher Homers Set
Seraphim Satanic Set
Beholder Frame Guard Set
Divine Requiem Set
Dragoon Dragoon Set
 
Immunity Sets
Plasterer's Set
Insomniac Set
Fearless Set
Adulate Set
Unfreezing Set
Vitality Set
Neutralness Set
Uncurse Set
 
Skill Sets
Greed
Heal
Hiding
Cloaking
Teleport
Steal
 
MVP Set
Gemstone Set
Human Penetration Set
Demon Penetration Set
Animal Penetration Set
Insect Penetration Set
Fish Penetration Set
Dragon Penetration Set
Angel Penetration Set
Neutralness Penetration Set
Undead Penetration Set
Plant Penetration Set
Human Magic Penetration Set
Demon Magic Penetration Set
Animal Magic Penetration Set
Insect Magic Penetration Set
Fish Magic Penetration Set
Dragon Magic Penetration Set
Angel Magic Penetration Set
Neutralness Magic Penetration Set
Undead Magic Penetration Set
Plant Magic Penetration Set
 
What are your thoughts?
What sets should remain unimplemented?
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#2 Myzery

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Posted 21 September 2016 - 10:36 AM

Why would you block older sets in PvP/WoE?
I mean I am sure some could be troublesome, but you're setting us back.
Disabling them in TE maybe, but some classes need certain sets to be closer to viable.

Certain sets need to be account bound.


Edited by Myzery, 21 September 2016 - 10:36 AM.

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#3 Zayaan

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Posted 21 September 2016 - 10:36 AM

Sets:
Melee Sets
Physical - All Monsters
 
Cast Delay Set
Reload Set
 
Caster Sets
Magical - All Monsters
Caster Set 1
Spellflow Set
Caster Set 2
 
HP/SP Sets
Hard Champion - Pupa Thief Bug Egg
Big Set
Medium Set
Small Set
 
HP/SP Drain
Spiritual Set - SP Absorption stone shouldn't have been implemented either
Malicious Set - Bit too late on this one
 
Attack Set
Kingbird Ancient - Archer Skeleton
Critical Hit Set
Infinity Set
Solid set
Blitz Set
Force
Enhanced Force
Titan
Boned
Gigantic
 
Mattack Set
Spirit Set
Enhanced Spirit Set
 
Autocast
Coldbolt
Firebolt
Lightning Bolt
Earth Spike
 
Stat Sets
Power Set
Int Set
Vital Set
Atheletic Set
Dexterous Set
Lucky Set
Bearers
 
MDEF/Def Sets
Resist Athena Set
Immuned Athena - Thara Frog
Immortal Set
 
Element Resist Set
Basis
Hallowed
Saharic
Underness
Flame
Windy
Envenom
Damned
Geist
Divine
 
Flee Sets
Hasty Set
Blitz 2 Set
 
EXP Sets
Beginner
Rookie
Advanced
Expert
 
 
Racial Sets
Bloody Cranial Set
Liberation Safe Guard Set
Chemical Cadi Set
Clamorous Brutal Set
Insecticide Gargantua Set
Fisher Homers Set
Seraphim Satanic Set
Beholder Frame Guard Set
Divine Requiem Set
Dragoon Dragoon Set
 
Immunity Sets
Plasterer's Set
Insomniac Set
Fearless Set
Adulate Set
Unfreezing Set - Also too late
Vitality Set
Neutralness Set
Uncurse Set
 
Skill Sets
Greed
Heal
Hiding
Cloaking
Teleport
Steal
 
MVP Set
Gemstone Set
Human Penetration Set
Demon Penetration Set
Animal Penetration Set
Insect Penetration Set
Fish Penetration Set
Dragon Penetration Set
Angel Penetration Set
Neutralness Penetration Set
Undead Penetration Set
Plant Penetration Set
Human Magic Penetration Set
Demon Magic Penetration Set
Animal Magic Penetration Set
Insect Magic Penetration Set
Fish Magic Penetration Set
Dragon Magic Penetration Set
Angel Magic Penetration Set
Neutralness Magic Penetration Set
Undead Magic Penetration Set
Plant Magic Penetration Set

 

 


Edited by Zayaan, 21 September 2016 - 10:37 AM.

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#4 Ashuckel

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Posted 21 September 2016 - 10:36 AM

everything but MVP sets basically.


PS: Spiritual Shadow Set = Dracula card aka also a no no

As well as Infinity set, Realod, etc... (so many mvp shadow gears not listed as mvplol)



And like, have you seen future gears and cards from them? Many stuff is comign with partial def/mdef ignores, so there's really no point making those obsolette as well
Heck just some hours ago you posted a list of cards we are receiving, in wich there are comboes that ignore 50% def/mdef on specific races '-'



edit: Zayaan ninja'ed me :v


Edited by Ashuckel, 21 September 2016 - 10:38 AM.

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Posted 21 September 2016 - 10:37 AM

My Proposal:
 
1. Remove All Shadow Gears from Kafra Shop.
2. All Shadow Gears will be account bound
3. All Shadow Gears won't work at PvP/WoE Scenarios
4. Don't Implement MvP Shadow Gear.
5. Implement Job Class Shadow Gear with Quest (when you change for a Ranger Job, for an example, you'll gain your Ranger Shadow Set), and make a new refinement system for it (like HD, but with less chance)
6. Shadows Gears can be obtained drop of monsters, with the same chance of his card.

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Posted 21 September 2016 - 10:38 AM

 

 

I second this. Zayaan is one of the most knowledgeable people I have ever encountered when it comes to Ragnarok.
Especially when it comes to PvM, he's been integral in teaching the community new methods to tackle content. 


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Posted 21 September 2016 - 10:42 AM

"All Shadow Items would be blocked in PVP Environments."

Does this mean the shadow sets will be blocked in WoE? Or is it just PvP? What about the already existing shadow sets?

 

My feedback, allow all shadow sets because there are already ton of MVPs and Gods running around in WoE. The sets will help noobs who cant compete with veterans in MVP to have a chance to get the MVP effects rather than rage quit. This might too late because I think its only the same group of players who camp the MVPs 24/7. If you dont want these shadow sets in the game, might as well remove MVPs and Gods because apparently, they're killing the game xD

 

One question about the upgrade event that will be launched tomorrow. Say, many people manage to get +14 KVM, will you also block the any slaughter effect over +12 in the future? Just for loling fun troll xD


Edited by ChakriGuard, 21 September 2016 - 10:49 AM.

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#8 meli

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Posted 21 September 2016 - 10:44 AM

No idea what are spirit and force sets but besides that Zayaan's list is perfect.


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Posted 21 September 2016 - 10:44 AM

Quote for truth

 

Sets:
Melee Sets
Physical - All Monsters
 
Cast Delay Set
Reload Set
 
Caster Sets
Magical - All Monsters
Caster Set 1
Spellflow Set
Caster Set 2
 
HP/SP Sets
Hard Champion - Pupa Thief Bug Egg
Big Set
Medium Set
Small Set
 
HP/SP Drain
Spiritual Set - SP Absorption stone shouldn't have been implemented either
Malicious Set - Bit too late on this one
 
Attack Set
Kingbird Ancient - Archer Skeleton
Critical Hit Set
Infinity Set
Solid set
Blitz Set
Force
Enhanced Force
Titan
Boned
Gigantic
 
Mattack Set
Spirit Set
Enhanced Spirit Set
 
Autocast
Coldbolt
Firebolt
Lightning Bolt
Earth Spike
 
Stat Sets
Power Set
Int Set
Vital Set
Atheletic Set
Dexterous Set
Lucky Set
Bearers
 
MDEF/Def Sets
Resist Athena Set
Immuned Athena - Thara Frog
Immortal Set
 
Element Resist Set
Basis
Hallowed
Saharic
Underness
Flame
Windy
Envenom
Damned
Geist
Divine
 
Flee Sets
Hasty Set
Blitz 2 Set
 
EXP Sets
Beginner
Rookie
Advanced
Expert
 
 
Racial Sets
Bloody Cranial Set
Liberation Safe Guard Set
Chemical Cadi Set
Clamorous Brutal Set
Insecticide Gargantua Set
Fisher Homers Set
Seraphim Satanic Set
Beholder Frame Guard Set
Divine Requiem Set
Dragoon Dragoon Set
 
Immunity Sets
Plasterer's Set
Insomniac Set
Fearless Set
Adulate Set
Unfreezing Set - Also too late
Vitality Set
Neutralness Set
Uncurse Set
 
Skill Sets
Greed
Heal
Hiding
Cloaking
Teleport
Steal
 
MVP Set
Gemstone Set
Human Penetration Set
Demon Penetration Set
Animal Penetration Set
Insect Penetration Set
Fish Penetration Set
Dragon Penetration Set
Angel Penetration Set
Neutralness Penetration Set
Undead Penetration Set
Plant Penetration Set
Human Magic Penetration Set
Demon Magic Penetration Set
Animal Magic Penetration Set
Insect Magic Penetration Set
Fish Magic Penetration Set
Dragon Magic Penetration Set
Angel Magic Penetration Set
Neutralness Magic Penetration Set
Undead Magic Penetration Set
Plant Magic Penetration Set

 

 


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#10 havokkmorands

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Posted 21 September 2016 - 10:45 AM

Sets:

Melee Sets
Physical - All Monsters
 
Cast Delay Set
Reload Set
 
Caster Sets
Magical - All Monsters
Caster Set 1
Spellflow Set
Caster Set 2
 
HP/SP Sets
Hard Champion - Pupa Thief Bug Egg
Big Set
Medium Set
Small Set
 
HP/SP Drain
Spiritual Set
Malicious Set
 
Attack Set
Kingbird Ancient - Archer Skeleton
Critical Hit Set
Infinity Set
Solid set
Blitz Set
Force
Enhanced Force

Titan
Boned
Gigantic
 
Mattack Set
Spirit Set
Enhanced Spirit Set
 
Autocast
Coldbolt
Firebolt
Lightning Bolt
Earth Spike
 
Stat Sets
Power Set
Int Set
Vital Set
Atheletic Set
Dexterous Set
Lucky Set
Bearers
 
MDEF/Def Sets
Resist Athena Set
Immuned Athena - Thara Frog
Immortal Set
 
Element Resist Set
Basis
Hallowed
Saharic
Underness
Flame
Windy
Envenom
Damned
Geist
Divine
 
Flee Sets
Hasty Set
Blitz 2 Set
 
EXP Sets
Beginner
Rookie
Advanced
Expert
 
 
Racial Sets
Bloody Cranial Set
Liberation Safe Guard Set
Chemical Cadi Set
Clamorous Brutal Set
Insecticide Gargantua Set
Fisher Homers Set
Seraphim Satanic Set
Beholder Frame Guard Set
Divine Requiem Set
Dragoon Dragoon Set
 
Immunity Sets
Plasterer's Set
Insomniac Set
Fearless Set
Adulate Set
Unfreezing Set
Vitality Set
Neutralness Set
Uncurse Set
 
Skill Sets
Greed
Heal
Hiding
Cloaking
Teleport
Steal
 
MVP Set
Gemstone Set
Human Penetration Set
Demon Penetration Set
Animal Penetration Set
Insect Penetration Set
Fish Penetration Set
Dragon Penetration Set
Angel Penetration Set
Neutralness Penetration Set
Undead Penetration Set
Plant Penetration Set
Human Magic Penetration Set
Demon Magic Penetration Set
Animal Magic Penetration Set
Insect Magic Penetration Set
Fish Magic Penetration Set
Dragon Magic Penetration Set
Angel Magic Penetration Set
Neutralness Magic Penetration Set
Undead Magic Penetration Set
Plant Magic Penetration Set

 

 


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Posted 21 September 2016 - 10:46 AM

I think the bigger question is: are there going to be future attempts to implement shadow gears that we reject or is this the last attempt to force those that we don't want on us? I can't help but think we'll be back to debating this issue again later. I think most of us are tired of having to repeat ourselves when it comes to certain shadow sets.
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Posted 21 September 2016 - 10:46 AM

What should not be implemented:

  • Reload (Kiel), Infinity (Drake), Penetration (Samurai), Tempest (High Wizard), Gemstone (Mistress), Malicious (HF, but seriously more like Sniper. But too late for that I guess), Spiritual (Dracula), Bearers (Eddga), Hasty (Moonlight Flower), Cloaking (Assassin Cross)
  • All status immunity sets. It's already bad enough that the Unfrozen set was implemented.

 

To be honest, I don't see a reason to remove shadow gears from the kafra shop, and make them obtained by killing monsters, or doing quests. Obviously the server needs a way to make money, and I doubt making money off some gears or VIP to obtain the shadow gear in game would be enough. The staff and kRO would just come back thirsty looking for more ridiculous cash grabs like we are going to be having tomorrow.

 

What about creating new shadow sets? iRO has the freedom to customize right? Create shadow sets that buff specific class builds, or skills. Rather than buffing the entire game at the same time. Something along the lines of the Class Shadow Sets, but with a focus on specific builds instead.

 

And most importantly with shadow sets: they need balancing. Nerfings, and negative effects. Some of them give you negative effects for using them, like SP increase on the Spellflow. Majority of shadow sets have no downside, or not enough downsides to make you not use them for reasons.


Edited by Toxn, 21 September 2016 - 10:52 AM.

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Posted 21 September 2016 - 10:47 AM

Wait,where is the love for expanded classes.

 

I want rebel shadow gear ;___; 

 

 


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Posted 21 September 2016 - 10:47 AM

What about creating new shadow sets? iRO has the freedom to customize right? Create shadow sets that buff specific class builds, or skills. Rather than buffing the entire game at the same time. Something along the lines of the Class Shadow Sets, but with a focus on specific builds instead.


Considering the community headgears haven't been fixed since implementation, I kind of doubt their ability to do this.
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Posted 21 September 2016 - 10:48 AM

Considering the community headgears haven't been fixed since implementation, I kind of doubt their ability to do this.

 

They were recently granted the ability to make in house changes.


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Posted 21 September 2016 - 10:50 AM

make them all drop as same like card rate :p_smile:


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Posted 21 September 2016 - 10:53 AM

Wearing 1st+2nd+3rd class shadow sets: 50% def/mdef ignore(not to mention each piece bonus)
Abusive Robe: 4% def ignore per refine against Demihuman, and other 2 i dont remember :v
Nightmare dungeons cards: 50% def/mdef ignore to certain races when wearing the combo

That's pretty decent dont ya think :v

 

Also, considering iRO was granted the ability to make in house changes, why not just tweak some ridiculous content (like Bio5 mobs having 800+mdef) :v


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Posted 21 September 2016 - 10:54 AM

Everything Zayaan left on the list would pretty much be fine in WoE.
If you guys could find a balance of distributing them through the cash shop/PvM, it would be pretty much perfect.


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Posted 21 September 2016 - 10:57 AM

as a normal plebs not an elitist.. we want this set so we dont need to spend much time to get those mvp effect... please just put those shadow gear on kafra shop instead wasting our time fighting against RNG God... 

 

please hear our voice this time... :p_devil:  :p_devil:  :p_devil:


Edited by 8464131223201318730, 21 September 2016 - 10:58 AM.

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Posted 21 September 2016 - 10:58 AM

It's funny how the people who want the,penetration set, only want it if they can pay for it
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Posted 21 September 2016 - 10:59 AM

as a normal plebs not an elitist.. we want this set so we dont need to spend much time to get those mvp effect... please just put those shadow gear on kafra shop instead wasting our time fighting against RNG God... 

 

please hear our voice this time...

 

You're playing the wrong game with that mentality.


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Posted 21 September 2016 - 11:00 AM

it depends on whether warpportal want new players to come or compromise with the old players, if we do release the MVP set,the only thing change is old players with MVP cards could no longer show off.
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Posted 21 September 2016 - 11:03 AM

it depends on whether warpportal want new players to come or compromise with the old players, if we do release the MVP set,the only thing change is old players with MVP cards could no longer show off.

 

That's not true. It imbalances the game for everyone.
 


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Posted 21 September 2016 - 11:04 AM

There is like maybe 5 Thanatos card on the server. No one is showing off -_-. 


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Posted 21 September 2016 - 11:05 AM

Hiding Shadow Gear is op too boyz,specially for WoE TE.

 

:heh:


Edited by Hissis, 21 September 2016 - 11:05 AM.

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