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#26 Ashuckel

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Posted 18 October 2016 - 05:38 AM

It IS a bersek potion, for sinxes lol
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Posted 18 October 2016 - 06:31 AM

It IS a bersek potion, for sinxes lol

 

yeah, but with shorter duration :p_swt:

 

btw Ash, can you help recheck previous formula post.

 

I had done my corrections
 


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Posted 18 October 2016 - 07:14 AM

For gears i suggest you to have:

+9 heroic back cenere/wakwak ( i prefer heroic backpack than faw since you only have 1 120stat )

+9hf/ak thanatos katar

+0-9 rideword hat

temporal agi/str boots(speed of light/bears power/lucky day)

rogues treasure

chewing gum( for extra drop rate when mobbing)

elemental nabs armor( also enchant it at mora)

bloodsucker(expensive and optional)

 

For stats since you don't have bako it is better to go with 120 agi rather than 120str because you need to reach 190agi with rolling cutter for more spins/dps

but if you can manage to reach 190-193 aspd with 90 agi then go with 120str


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Posted 18 October 2016 - 07:17 AM

Casivir, enriched celermine is considered equip aspd % and so should be included with bradium brooch etc. 

 

Also, worth checking the thief subforum as there are a lot of GX build/tips threads. 

 
EDIT: getting 188+ aspd with 90 agi is easily doable, would not recommend doing 120 agi if you are RC build as 120 str is much better. You're also unlikely to get full 5 spins per second even at 190 aspd as that requires perfect input and low to no latency. 
 
guarana candy, celermine, awake pot, and a modest amount of aspd % gear like pegasus ear or rapid pendant or bako tat (or whatever you prefer) should do the trick in conjunction with 10% from temp boots and whatever garment you opt for (IMO, backpack with wakwak is great.)
 
Poison bottle doesn't last long enough to rely on for leveling, nor do you need it really. 

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#30 Azumatsu

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Posted 18 October 2016 - 07:27 AM

I was under the impression that I'd want to get either attack/hit OR crit damage+crit or just crit damage. I was assuming that if I got more natural crit, I could skip having to waste card slots on crit chance, and instead focus on crit damage or attack/hit/leech. Your opinion is welcome here! Like I said, I'm just looking for perspective and everyone/anyone is welcome to give me their opinion/advice. I take it all seriously. I think the reason I put it in luck was that as RC I was under the impression you didn't gear any crit at all, I thought you just ignored ctrl+clicking unless you had to. Also thanks for the heads up that ATK from luck doesn't count for EDP. It's weird because the wiki says that dex gives STATUS ATK however it only says that luck gives ATK (doesn't mention status).

hmm usually people do switching gear when doing crit. like when RC people using +9 wakwak FAW FS16, when doing crit they switch into +9 petal FAW fatal10. usually people wear temporal luk for critting but for RC they use temporal str.

 

it just like i said before, the main goal both build is different, but it have similiar stat u need that is aspd and atk. that's why i suggest take 120 agi, with 120 agi you can wear something like temporal agi or cenere, it cover a lot aspd you need. eventhough you can reach 193 aspd without that, you need some pricely aspd gear i mention before and food

 

with 120 agi, 120 str, 0-90 luk, high RC damage, but can't maximize crit damage 

with 120 agi, 120 luk, 90-100 str, high crit damage, but can't maximize potential atk for RC

 

it just depend your choice, which one u prefer

 

you can try 120 str, 120 luk 90-100 agi, but i feel it's not efficient. maybe ask ash who already try it


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Posted 18 October 2016 - 10:30 AM

have u checked the gx guides irowiki and in the forums?

 


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Posted 18 October 2016 - 06:29 PM

EDIT: getting 188+ aspd with 90 agi is easily doable, would not recommend doing 120 agi if you are RC build as 120 str is much better. You're also unlikely to get full 5 spins per second even at 190 aspd as that requires perfect input and low to no latency.

Op said that he is going hybrid with rc and ctrl click so i suggest 120 agi rather than 120str. Even with pure rc build you need to go 120str and 120agi because aspd gears are so expensive. But i respect your choice :D

If you consider same damage with rc but more crit power go with 90 str 120agi 120luk but your crs will miss alot even on pvp.

Also celermine awakes and guarana(inc agi5) stacks but it is better to have an alt priest to agi you.

And lastly use the /q2 command so you can bind your rolling cutter with the scroll bar.
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Posted 19 October 2016 - 06:51 AM

have u checked the gx guides irowiki and in the forums?

Of course I have. I wouldn't even say I had a build planned without doing at least a little research. I also mentioned a few places how most guides are pretty much just "pure" recommendations. I don't really see anything for people who would want to both RC AND ctrl+click. That's what I'm trying to achieve.


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Posted 19 October 2016 - 07:13 AM

Oh wow, I hadn't checked since yesterday and I received a lot more perspectives. Thanks for all the replies! I think I'm starting to lean towards 120 str, 120 agi, 90 vit, 90 dex, 35 luk. With 35 luck I have 13 natural and only need 37 more, with 2 rogues treasure (faw = 2-3) I only need 14-15 and I believe I can get the other 14-15 pretty easily. Now that I'm convinced FAW is far better than HBP considering the enchants, 120 str/120 agility benefits from FAW more. 


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Posted 19 October 2016 - 07:13 AM

Op said that he is going hybrid with rc and ctrl click so i suggest 120 agi rather than 120str. Even with pure rc build you need to go 120str and 120agi because aspd gears are so expensive. But i respect your choice :D

 

Fair enough m8. I was 120 str/120 agi and I found the extra ASPD from the agi investment wasn't worth the extra hit/crit from luk. I can still get 190 while using FS enchanted temp str boots, so my setup works for me, though I am passing on a physical shadow set to do so (for now anyway.) 

 

EDIT: @Belock, a critical shadow armor is not bad either, as it can give up to +10 crit. 


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Posted 19 October 2016 - 07:23 AM

Fair enough m8. My thoughts are at 120 agi with temp agi boots, you'll have 193 aspd much easier... but at the cost of either direct atk power or crit % damage mods, so in that case it still performs "subpar". I also think it's better to focus on one type and have the other as a backup instead of doing a 50/50, but that's just my take on things. 

 

EDIT: @Belock, a critical shadow armor is not bad either, as it can give up to +10 crit. 

Yeah I'm not sure about shadow armor atm. From some of the tips, leech can be important. Of course Bloodsucking can help, also the Hunter Fly card. However I know I'd probably have to sacrifice the Hunter Fly for something like AK if I wanted to boss. CD might not be enough damage to justify dropping Bloodsucking, but I'll definitely need SOME leech for Bears Power and that might be where the Malicious shadow gear comes in, I'm still learning about all of the different consumables and gear variations. If it was a game I had been playing for long enough  I could start crunching some numbers to try and optimize... just not enough knowledge yet haha. That's where I'm relying on you guys.

 

EDIT: I did want a sort of hybrid build, more of a versatile build I'd say as I don't mind switching gear to achieve a strong type. From what I've read I could switch gear.


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Posted 19 October 2016 - 07:29 AM

90 str/luk and 120 agi '-'
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Posted 19 October 2016 - 07:55 AM

Well, if you're critting a single enemy, leech won't be as reliable as you'll want to put on damage gears anyway. 

 

If you are RCing, then yeah malicious shadow and leech gear. 


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Posted 19 October 2016 - 09:05 PM

90 str/luk and 120 agi '-'

Not sure how I feel about that. Mind explaining why you like that stat allocation a bit?


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Posted 19 October 2016 - 09:07 PM

Well, if you're critting a single enemy, leech won't be as reliable as you'll want to put on damage gears anyway. 

 

If you are RCing, then yeah malicious shadow and leech gear. 

Is leech really not that great on ctrl+clicking with 190+ a.speed? I mean what you're saying now is the crit shadow is far better than malicious because ctrl+click leech is already weak.


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Posted 20 October 2016 - 11:40 AM

Is leech really not that great on ctrl+clicking with 190+ a.speed? I mean what you're saying now is the crit shadow is far better than malicious because ctrl+click leech is already weak.

 

It can be "viable" but you sacrifice killing power. Also, think of the context -- you typically won't be auto-attacking/critting regular enemies, but MVPs or individually strong enemies that you would want to edp + dark claw on. In that case, getting as much damage out is more important than leeching 20% of your damage back.

 

I'm not saying to change your entire gear loadout everytime you click a regular enemy to die, but rather, if you are fighting an individually strong enemy to prioritize damage over hp leech back. 

 

For example, on most mvps I use all damage gear and rely on pots to heal -- but against T_W_O, who uses level 69 critical wounds and makes healing items lose their effect entirely, I swap to rideword + bloodsucker to leech back HP while critting her. When HP is back, I go back to eddga + sin mask or pirate's dagger. 

 

Also, as you stack more damage, the more hp you will leech back when it does proc, so it's not entirely a one way trade-off. 

 

Anyway, it's a suggestion man -- do what you're comfortable with. 


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Posted 21 October 2016 - 12:25 PM

Oh wow, I hadn't checked since yesterday and I received a lot more perspectives. Thanks for all the replies! I think I'm starting to lean towards 120 str, 120 agi, 90 vit, 90 dex, 35 luk. With 35 luck I have 13 natural and only need 37 more, with 2 rogues treasure (faw = 2-3) I only need 14-15 and I believe I can get the other 14-15 pretty easily. Now that I'm convinced FAW is far better than HBP considering the enchants, 120 str/120 agility benefits from FAW more.

Yeah it pretty same with my stat. For future instance like nightmare toy factory you need over 500 hit, that's why i invest 90 dex too

FAW better at specialist, HBP for all around. But for leveling/farming purpose HBP more suitable, have better resistance and can greed
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