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#1 RomeroMelo

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Posted 26 October 2016 - 04:19 AM

So, we are recieving Nightmare Biolabs this year and i'm thinking about making a GX full CI for WoE (I know CRS damage will be better btw)... Does anyone know if Glorious Rapier combos with Glorious Gladiuus?


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Posted 26 October 2016 - 04:51 AM

We are not receiving it anymore as far as i know
 

But yes,they work.

 

And you should use http://db.irowiki.or...tem-info/13416/ instead of rapier.


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Posted 26 October 2016 - 05:22 AM

OH GOD WHY? Is this for real? Could you provide the link to that info?

 

And thanks for the advice!


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Posted 26 October 2016 - 05:34 AM

It was in one of the CM update threads, I think one of the 'good morning' ones (as the last three weeks' worth of patch notes don't have it.

 

Anyway, we're getting RODEX instead of nightmare biolabs in... November, I think. 


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Posted 26 October 2016 - 05:43 AM

yeah, i saw the RODEX thing, but thought it was an extra :sob:


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Posted 26 October 2016 - 06:58 AM

As to your other point, their demi-human and defense piercing stuff will stack, but you'll get more damage with 1 kvm and 1 quad medium main gauche.

 

EDIT: After re-checking, I was off and ashuckel is right. If both are at +14, then KVM is better. Below that, you're better off with the quad medium on offhand give or take a % depending on your other gear. 


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Posted 26 October 2016 - 07:04 AM

If both are +14 then 2x +14 is better than quad medium :v

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Ice Pick[SW] offhand still beats it.
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Posted 26 October 2016 - 07:13 AM

edit: I was calculating damage wrong, yeah 2x +14 is better by about 20% difference. I think with a large enough general % mod (bako, rwc ring, etc.) it may swing in favor of quad boned tho. And of course, the price difference is yuge. 

 

...but, it is a moot point since the true eremes card that gives cross impact damage is a weapon card, so you have no choice but to do 1x KVM anyway 

 

 


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Posted 26 October 2016 - 07:18 AM

The only bonuses that matter to change wich would be better is demi% and medium%.

If you use 2x kvm and ceb+bloody shoes theres a ~2% difference lower than ceb+bloody+kvm and quad medium. The extra def pierce surpasses it.

Anyways with the eremes card, best choice would be rte+kvm dagger.
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Posted 26 October 2016 - 07:22 AM

I think the inclusion of a sizeable general % mod can offset the difference. Though the optimization/min-maxing isn't something I'd care to argue for considering the whole point of the build was to use the Eremes card in the first place. 

 

 


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Posted 26 October 2016 - 07:32 AM

Any other % mod will multiply both demi% and medium% equally and it wont change a thing.
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Posted 26 October 2016 - 07:44 AM

Yeah, you're right. The 1.6x is just too low to compare with 4.5x (even 4x WK cards aren't enough to offset it.) 

 

 


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Posted 26 October 2016 - 08:02 AM

Since we're talking about 1 hand swords, do you guys find any use for a +15 Crimson Saber? 


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Posted 26 October 2016 - 08:13 AM

Acid Bomb in woe TE
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Posted 26 October 2016 - 08:48 AM

So i assume a drake offhand would be better than a SW one, as 25% reduction would be equal to a 33% dmg mutiplier, right?


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Posted 26 October 2016 - 08:54 AM

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Posted 26 October 2016 - 09:57 AM

Drake only applies to wATK, and if you use a G. Flamberge it basically is pointless. 

 

The Ice Pick will give a big eATK damage bonus that Drake would not boost, but that the combo of SW + Demi % would. 

 

IMO, Drake is a PVE card for high wATK daggers. 


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Posted 26 October 2016 - 10:30 AM

OH, i see, thanks... I i thought Drake would multiplie after the KvM bonuses, thanks again


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Posted 26 October 2016 - 08:57 PM

do you think kvm sword + valor dagger will be good for CI or ctrl clicking?

 

also, do you know the chance of triggering its icepick effect?

 

ok tnx


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Posted 27 October 2016 - 12:29 AM

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