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#1 CadburyChocolate

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Posted 14 November 2016 - 09:24 PM

So i made and 2 Sarah Earing After Cast Delay -8%, as a GX, would this be useful to me?

 

Have read here that it could be beneficial for RC, but i also recently read here from ashuckel that..

 

You cant, in fact, do 7/second. You can reach 5 ish at 193 and strings. 

About 4 at 190 not on strings.

 

 

so that 16% total might not have an effect at 190 aspd :(


Edited by CadburyChocolate, 14 November 2016 - 09:30 PM.

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#2 Ashuckel

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Posted 14 November 2016 - 10:09 PM

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Posted 14 November 2016 - 10:39 PM

:v

i would really like if you would educate me on here, re-reading threads, it was also you who said that 7RC/second is achievable, dont know what happened with the change of heart XD


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Posted 15 November 2016 - 02:17 AM

With the current server and the lag we have in RO good luck trying to get that. I am noob when it comes to all this technical stuff, but I barely seee any difference in RC at 189-190-191 aspd.

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#5 Ashuckel

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Posted 15 November 2016 - 02:49 AM

i would really like if you would educate me on here, re-reading threads, it was also you who said that 7RC/second is achievable, dont know what happened with the change of heart XD

That was before i tested iRO server side lag, wich makes it just impossible :v
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Posted 15 November 2016 - 08:20 AM

That was before i tested iRO server side lag, wich makes it just impossible :v

even with the use of AHK still not possible?? Also, i should be able to get 5 hits @ 190 aspd right w/o strings? I just dont get it @ @


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Posted 15 November 2016 - 08:38 AM

Nope, its not about input speed, its just not possible on iRO right now(and in the near future).
190 aspd wont translate to 5 RCs per second because of the time it takes for the server to compute this action basically. If you record yourself doing RCs at 190 with or without strings, you will get an average of 4.1 RCs per second. Same with with 193 and strings, the average is 5 per second. Havenn made a video about it too if you wanna check.

On private servers it may be possible to achieve the "true" 5/sec and 7/sec because they are a lot less laggy, and run on rAthena instead of Aegis(and it's countless coding problems)
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Posted 15 November 2016 - 08:58 AM

There's a noticeable difference when i rc with kiels versus without. You should be able to feel a difference with the cast delay.
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Posted 15 November 2016 - 09:09 AM

yep you can feel the difference, it is just not as great as it should be


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Posted 15 November 2016 - 05:46 PM

Nope, its not about input speed, its just not possible on iRO right now(and in the near future).
190 aspd wont translate to 5 RCs per second because of the time it takes for the server to compute this action basically. If you record yourself doing RCs at 190 with or without strings, you will get an average of 4.1 RCs per second. Same with with 193 and strings, the average is 5 per second. Havenn made a video about it too if you wanna check.

On private servers it may be possible to achieve the "true" 5/sec and 7/sec because they are a lot less laggy, and run on rAthena instead of Aegis(and it's countless coding problems)

Okay this made it clearer for me, i also watched the video, thank you for that. I did the same test with the video but instead of using 100ms delay for RC spam, i used 10ms delay instead hoping that the server would give advance command to RC bypassing server lag limitations. Not sure if reducing it to 10ms has an effect but these are my test data:

 

@190 attackspeed, 30 seconds:

 

120/121- w/o after cast delay reduction - 4.03 hits/sec

133 -w/ 10% after cast delay reduction - 4.43 hits/sec

139/140 - w/ 16% after cast delay reduction - 4.67 hits/sec

145/146 - w/ 26% after cast delay reduction - 4.8 hits/sec

 

@193 attackspeed, 30 seconds

120 - w/o after cast delay red- 4 hits/sec

133- w/o 10% after cast delay - 4.43/sec

141 - w/ 16% after cast delay red - 4.7 hits/sec

 

 

Sigh, i guess ill be keeping these rings in the storage forever.. 190 apsd is pretty much the same with 193 aspd according to these tests

 

Edit: 193 test included


Edited by CadburyChocolate, 15 November 2016 - 07:21 PM.

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Posted 18 November 2016 - 08:43 AM

Getting an extra .8 hits per second is still pretty noticeable (.8/4 = 20%) so your DPS is effectively going up by 20% (assuming you don't sacrifice that much damage in getting the aftercast delay reduction.) 


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Posted 18 November 2016 - 06:20 PM

That's really odd, your test results.

 

Do try it with strings and see how it flares. I'm surprised that with 10% delay 193aspd and 190aspd yields the same results.

 

Not to mention the only difference with 16% delay is 0.03hits/sec. It's a little too low.

 

From my experience, the speed flies once there's aftercast delay and 193aspd (worth it enough to use aspd FAW)


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Posted 25 November 2016 - 02:01 PM

That's really odd, your test results.

 

Do try it with strings and see how it flares. I'm surprised that with 10% delay 193aspd and 190aspd yields the same results.

 

Not to mention the only difference with 16% delay is 0.03hits/sec. It's a little too low.

 

From my experience, the speed flies once there's aftercast delay and 193aspd (worth it enough to use aspd FAW)

I will do more tests after the exp event or maybe on holidays.

 

 As per of experience, I dont feel any difference when i have 190 aspd-193 aspd when using RC without delay reductions with my current macro setup.

 

I can only assume for now that what is affected by the Server lag delay is only the after casts delay so i wont really expect any difference between 190/193 unless the ACD reductions let my hit go past 5 hits per second @ 193 though this needs more test.


Edited by CadburyChocolate, 25 November 2016 - 02:03 PM.

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Posted 25 November 2016 - 02:05 PM

There aint no difference between 190 and 193 without delay reduction because RC has 0.2s delay '-'
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Posted 25 November 2016 - 02:19 PM

There aint no difference between 190 and 193 without delay reduction because RC has 0.2s delay '-'

that is @ 5hit/s , but we currently are getting 4hit/s or so,having potential to increase, so others would assume that they will get different values with the server lag being 193 faster, but with my current tests even with the same delay reductions they get the same value. So i would only expect difference when ACD lets my 193 aspd lets me hit more than 5/sec, though i would want to test at 189 aspd next time first


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Posted 25 November 2016 - 02:23 PM

Because of the animation speed x server lag. If you get faster animation while still having the delay there it will still act as 190(0.2s after attack delay)
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Posted 25 November 2016 - 04:54 PM

Anyway, can anybody confirm if i can get a lvl3 max enchant at the first enchant (4th slot). Because i was always under the impression that it is the 2nd enchant(3rd) slot yields it while the first one only give lvl 1-2 until i saw this on wiki http://irowiki.org/w...arring_Enchants . 


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