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[Campitor]

 
 

• In order to provide a system that allows active players to earn item mall consumables and headgears from playing the game.
• How: Defeat Cache Mimics while adventuring. Take the treasure caches they drop and a Bronze, Silver, or Gold Key to the Key Master NPC in Asgard Village (Exact Location) to receive buffs and rewards.

• Access to Asgard Village

• Keys
  • Bronze Keys award one roll on the reward table when opening a treasure cache
  • Silver Keys award two rolls on the reward table when opening a treasure cache
  • Gold Keys award three rolls on the reward table when opening a treasure cache one of these rolls will always award an uncommon+item
• Key Sources
  • ​Bronze
    • Quests(retroactive awarding possible for characters that already completed the quests)
      • First Class Job Changes 
      • Second Class Class Job Changes 
      • Transcendent Quest
      • Sign Quest
      • Nameless Island Quest
    • MVPs (MVP Reward) - MVP Rewarded Keys can be traded going forward as of 2/2/2017
      • Eddga
      • Hatii
      • Stormy Knight
      • Tao Gunka
      • Amon Ra
      • Dracula
      • Golden Thief Bug
      • Phreeoni
      • Atroce
      • Lady Tanee
      • Mistress
      • Moonlight Flower
      • Osiris
      • Drake
      • Pharaoh
      • Turtle General
      • Maya
      • Gopinch
      • Doppelganger
      • Egnigem Cenia
      • Kiel-D-01
      • Orc Hero
      • Evil Snake Lord
      • Samurai Specter
      • Vesper
      • Gloom Under Night
      • White Lady
      • Fallen Bishop
      • Baphomet
      • Dark Lord
      • Detardeurus
      • Ifrit
      • Lord of the Dead
      • Orc Lord
      • RSX 0806
      • Valkyrie Randgris
      • Wounded Morocc
      • Beelzebub
  • Silver
    • Classic Community Events
  • Gold
    • Item Mall

• List of maps with the special spawns.
  • 
    
• Cache Mimics
• Possible Headgear Certificates
  • Chick Hat
    • 
      1 Cobweb.
      10 Fluff.
      1 Egg Shell.
      1 Feather of Birds.
      1000 Zeny.
      1 Chick Hat Certificate.
  • Rideword Hat
    • 
      4 Star Dust.
      100 Worn Out Pages.
      1 Old Magicbook.
      1000 Zeny.
      1 Rideword Hat Certificate.
  • Lunatic Hat
    • 
      1 Four Leaf Clover.
      200 Worn out Carrots.
      5 Rainbow Carrots.
      50 Clovers.
      50 Feathers.
      1000 Zeny.
      1 Lunatic Hat Certificate.
  • Takius Blindfold
    • 
      2 Black Dyestuff.
      200 Fabric.
      1 Ribbon.
      1000 Zeny.
      1 Takius Blindfold Certificate.
  • Evil Marching Hat
    • 
      200 Little Evil Horns.
      200 Little Evil Wings.
      1 Eye of Dullahan.
      20 Dullahan's Helm.
      1000 Zeny.
      1 Evil Marching Hat Certificate.
  • Skull Cap
    • 
      1000 Skel Bones.
      1000 Zenorc Fangs.
      1 Bone Helm.
      100 Skulls.
      1000 Zeny.
      1 Skull Cap Certificate.
  • Black Devil Mask
    • 
      1000 Skel Bones.
      1000 Zenorc Fangs.
      1 Bone Helm.
      100 Skulls.
      1000 Zeny.
      1 Black Devil Mask Certificate.
  • Holy Marching Hat
    • 
      5 Yggdragsil Leaves.
      1 Emperiums.
      20 Yggdrasil Berries.
      5 Yggdrasil Seeds.
      1000 Zeny.
      1 Holy Marching Hat Certificate.
  • Well Chewed Pencil
    • 
      10 Trunks.
      100 Barren Trunks.
      20 Iron.
      5 Rocker Dolls.
      1000 Zeny.
      1 Well Chewed Pencil Certificate.
  • Yggdrasil Crown
    • 
      5 Yggdragsil Leaves.
      8 Level 5 Heal Scrolls!.
      20 Yggdrasil Berries.
      5 Yggdrasil Seeds.
      1000 Zeny.
      1 Yggdrasil Crown Certificate.
  • Gentleman's Pipe
    • 
      20 Used Iron Plates.
      100 Dokebi Horns.
      20 Hinalle Leaflet.
      2 Fire Arrows.
      1000 Zeny.
      1 Gentleman's Pipe Certificate.
  • Baby Dragon Hat
    • 
      100 Dragon Scales.
      200 Pieces of Egg Shell.
      20 Sleep Arrows.
      1 Coal.
      1000 Zeny.
      1 Baby Dragon Hat Certificate.
  • Gemini Crown
    • 
      5 Gold.
      50 2carat Diamonds.
      250 3carat Diamond.
      500 Blue Gemstones.
      1000 Zeny.
      1 Gemini Crown Certificate.
  • Triple Poring Hat
    • 
      30 Unripe Apples.
      3 Poring Cards.
      300 Sticky Mucus.
      1 Cap.
      1000 Zeny.
      1 Triple Poring Hat Certificate.
  • Captain's Hat
    • 
      500 Fabric.
      100 Soft Silk.
      5 Sea-Otter Fur.
      50 Crystal Blue.
      1000 Zeny.
      1 Captain's Hat Certificate.
  • Wandering Wolf Helm
    • 
      250 Animal Skin.
      2 Well-Dried Bone.
      100 Wolf Claws.
      1 Wolf Card.
      1000 Zeny.
      1 Wandering Wolf Helm Certificate.
  • Hat Of Fortune
    • 
      250 Feathers."
      10 Aquamarines.
      1 Four Leaf Clover.
      1 Heavenly Maiden Robe.
      1000 Zeny.
      1 Hat Of Fortune Certificate.
  • Black Frame Glasses
    • 
      250 Steel.
      250 Glass Beads.
      50 Black Dyestuffs.
      50 Star Dust.
      1000 Zeny.
      1 Black Frame Glasses Certificate.
  • Bubble Gum In Mouth
    • 
      500 Sticky Mucus.
      200 Decayed Nail.
      300 Large Jellopy.
      25 Red Prickly Fruit.
      1000 Zeny.
      1 Bubble Gum In Mouth Certificate.

• Tier 1 Box
  
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  Common [87%]
  

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  30 - 40 Red Potion
  20 - 30 Yellow Potion
  5 - 15 White Potion
  5 - 10 Blue Potion
  3 - 5 Speed Potion
  1 - 10 Blue Gemstone
  1-4 +3 Stat Food
  

  
  Uncommon [9%]
  

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  Ambernite Card
  Anacondaq Card
  Andre Card
  Anopheles Card
  Argiope Card
  Argos Card
  Aster Card
  BigFoot Card
  Blazzer Card
  Caramel Card
  Chonchon Card
  Coco Card
  Condor Card
  Cornutus Card
  Creamy Card
  Desert Wolf Babe Card
  Desert Wolf Card
  Dokebi Card
  Dragon Egg Card
  Dragon Fly Card
  Drainliar Card
  Drops Card
  Dustiness Card
  Elder Wilow Card
  Flora Card
  Galion Card
  Gargoyle Card
  Ghoul Card
  Goblin Archer Card
  Goblin Card
  Golem Card
  Hode Card
  Hornet Card
  Horong Card
  Isis Card
  Jakk Card
  Kapha Card
  Kind Of Beetle Card
  Kobold Archer Card
  Kobold Card
  Kukre Card
  Leaf Cat Card
  Li Me Mang Ryang Card
  Lude Card
  Lunatic Card
  Magmaring Card
  Mandragora Card
  Mantis Card
  Marine Sphere Card
  Marionette Card
  Marse Card
  Martin Card
  Megalith Card
  Megalodon Card
  Metaling Card
  Muka Card
  Mummy Card
  Munak Card
  Myst Card
  Neraid Card
  Noxious Card
  Obeaune Card
  Orc Archer Card
  Orc Lady Card
  Orc Skeleton Card
  Orc Warrior Card
  Orc Zombie Card
  Parasite Card
  Pecopeco Card
  Pecopeco Egg Card
  Petit  Card
  Petit Card
  Picky  Card
  Picky Card
  Pirate Skel Card
  Plasma Card
  Poison Spore Card
  Poison Toad Card
  Poporing Card
  Porcellio Card
  Poring  Card
  Quve Card
  Rafflesia Card
  Raggler Card
  Rice Cake Boy Card
  Rocker Card
  Roda Frog Card
  Rotar Zairo Card
  Roween Card
  Sageworm Card
  Sand Man Card
  Sasquatch Card
  Savage Card
  Scorpion Card
  Shellfish Card
  Side Winder Card
  Siroma Card
  Skel Worker Card
  Skeleton Card
  Smokie Card
  Spore Card
  Stainer Card
  Stapo Card
  Steam Goblin Card
  Steel Chonchon Card
  Stem Worm Card
  Stone Shooter Card
  Strouf Card
  Sword Fish Card
  Tarou Card
  Thara Frog Card
  Thief Bug Card
  Thief Bug Egg Card
  Thief Bug Female Card
  Thief Bug Male Card
  Toad Card
  Tri Joint Card
  Vadon Card
  Vitata Card
  Whisper Card
  Wild Ginseng Card
  Wild Rose Card
  Wolf Card
  Wootan Fighter Card
  Wootan Shooter Card
  Worm Tail Card
  Yoyo Card
  Zerom Card
  Zipper Bear Card
  Zombie Card
  Padded Armor[1]
  Jacket[1]
  Adventurere's Suit[1]
  Thief Clothes[1]
  Saint Robe[1]
  Silver Robe[1]
  Mantle[1]
  Hood[1]
  Apple Of Archer
  Belt[1]
  

  
  Rare [1%]
  

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  Battle Manual
  Bubble Gum
  +5 Stat Food
  Elemental Rental Tokens
  

  
  Random Headgear Certificate [3%]

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[Themes]

Bronze Keys do not appropriately fit into the MVP reward loot table. Opening a box and receiving 3 really bad stat foods and 2 small life potions does not come close to matching the value of the items they replaced.

 

Also you really need to make them account bound at the very least. Even then not being able to split the keys I get with the people I MVP with is dumb.

 

Have you sat down and actually opened 5, 10, 50 and 100 of these at once? I find it very hard to believe that these drop rates are going to be very rewarding, especially when you are considering charging people for the privilege of getting sweet -_- all. NPC items in the Uncommon loot table, holy moly.

[lxst]

i've opened 3-5 gold keyed lows and quite a feeeew bronzes. got nothing worth mentioning. i'll say again that the mid and high tier boxes might "fix" this.... but atm there are a few problems.

 

-i would estimate the value of a +9-10 emh at roughly double to triple what it was a year ago.... IF you can find a seller. and the price was already crazy high. (just one good example)

 

-second problem is... are the low tier boxes designed for anyone? who is going to waist $$ on keys or time getting keys for this? i know i feel like i wasted what little i spent on keys (and it wasn't even that much...)

 

IF i were to invest in kp today..... i would shop in renewal, sell in re, broker a deal with a cross server player, and get my classic zenny prolly a month or two down the road after a bunch of bartering, sitting with a chat up waiting, ect.

because? cuz everything in the kp shop atm is either not a high value/volume commodity, doesn't turn a high enough exchange rate (kp spent vs zenny returned), is ridiculously overpriced compared to the same "product" last year (looking at hats here), or all three.

 

seriously, just have an employee at wp "play the market" for a few months (one hour a day setting up shops and keeping records) someone with simple accounting know how. these drastic changes in availability will be real obvious to someone "on the ground".  

[Xellie]

The keys need to be account bound, plenty are npced so people can trans.

And I might point out, hunting the caches is kind of unfun because they take so long to kill.

[Themes]

I'm hesitant to offer negative opinions, because I know how quickly that slows down your projects and this one was started in October. It should be finished by now.

 

HOWEVER. There's a whole lot of better ways to go about it, people could give you plenty of different options, but we dont really know how. What Lost said at the end is very important, you guys dont have a grasp on the state of the economy or how players actually play the game, without that you will always struggle to create new game systems.

 

If you have any access at all to historical sales data for Classic, you should be diving into that and figuring out what was in those boxes at that time. Look at the cost of those boxes and how do those compare to what you have proposed in this thread?

[Xellie]

I'd rather see hat certs directly dropping from MVPs (to give people a reason to hunt them) or *GASP* from woe treasure!

Or via TIs or something. People need to play together.

Edited by Xellie, 19 January 2017 - 10:29 PM.

[Themes]

I still like modified jRO link type system. One or more currencies earned from different areas of the game and used to purchase items. Once the system has been set up you dont need to worry about acquisition of the currency and all you need to do is maintain the rewards. You can rotate things in/out, change prices and add/remove things as needed. If you want to add cash shop elements to it you can add Magic Stones as a currency or substitute for certain items.

 

But yes, adding the Coupons to the MVP Reward I think is a good/fast/temporary alternative. I dont believe the MVP Rewards are effected by drop modifiers (I havent done any real testing on this, so I could be wrong) and if you put what you want to drop at the very front of the list, you'll always end up getting that at x% from the bosses.

[sunshadowaz]

The main reason that I opened the low level treasurers is not for the items, but for the stat buffs.

[Ramses]

Might want to put back lucky boxes/grooove packs until this project is at least completed?.

[Xellie]

The requirement for the EMH is too much, the dullahan eye is less than a card rate drop and it's a hat that requires upgrades.

Really unfair on returning and joining players. 

[JGkush]

The requirement for the EMH is too much, the dullahan eye is less than a card rate drop and it's a hat that requires upgrades.

Really unfair on returning and joining players. 

 

Thank you! Thought i was alone on this. It's way too much D:

[kisai]

35+ kills and no bronze key from Eddga. 

[Tomb]

130 boxes opened with gold keys 0 hat certs. I will not waste money on keys again, either bring back lucky boxes which i believe most of the community enjoyed or just put the certs in kafra shop we dont want +3-5 stat foods or another picky card.

 

90% drops: Trash you can buy from NPC already and +3 stat foods that I just spam so they don't needlessly waste space in my storage (we buy +10 foods already, this is not a reward)

 

9% drops: Maybe 2 cards in the lot that are worth more then 10m on market? If this is an attempt to help new/returning players i would just advise they sell kafra points to me or someone like me because they will get 10x their return on the kafra points that way.

 

Everything in the 1% is trash other then the cert. We buy gum from kafra if thats what we need, we buy BMs from kafra and convert them into BMx3 if thats what we need. Just give us what we want. If its a quest so that people play vs throw money at kafra thats fine just so long as it isn't a lame dice roll to get what we actually were going for.

 

end rant~

Edited by Tomb, 26 January 2017 - 03:50 PM.

[JGkush]

I think this is just a trick to make everybody leave the server and have an excuse to close it.

[Xandyzor]

130 boxes opened with gold keys 0 hat certs. I will not waste money on keys again, either bring back lucky boxes which i believe most of the community enjoyed or just put the certs in kafra shop we dont want +3-5 stat foods or another picky card.

 

90% drops: Trash you can buy from NPC already and +3 stat foods that I just spam so they don't needlessly waste space in my storage (we buy +10 foods already, this is not a reward)

 

9% drops: Maybe 2 cards in the lot that are worth more then 10m on market? If this is an attempt to help new/returning players i would just advise they sell kafra points to me or someone like me because they will get 10x their return on the kafra points that way.

 

Everything in the 1% is trash other then the cert. We buy gum from kafra if thats what we need, we buy BMs from kafra and convert them into BMx3 if thats what we need. Just give us what we want. If its a quest so that people play vs throw money at kafra thats fine just so long as it isn't a lame dice roll to get what we actually were going for.

 

end rant~

 

Return with the Boxes. Was working and everyone was happy with it.

 

I really wanna know why WP toke this decision.

[Xellie]

When people asked for gameplay alternatives, that meant, VIABLE, ALTERNATIVES. (in which the original system remains)

[Kieri]

I am confused, why would they remove the boxes for a system no one wants?

[JGkush]

I am confused, why would they remove the boxes for a system no one wants?

 

Been waiting months for that answer...

[veeshanguild]

                                                                          

                   6 months latter.......         

 

 

[Ramses]

The idea was good at first, the main problem was that they didn't really ask if we were expecting the cache boxes to replace the lucky boxes (which is funny because the lucky boxes were replaced for a system that, back then, and now, is not in a state to be implemented)

 

 

Whenever you develop something  "better" to replace a previous system the first thing you have to do is run both together until the new one is already completely implemented and functional so there is no harm when shutting down the previus system.

 

I don't remember players asking for something to replace the previous system. What we wanted was an alternative.

[lxst]

The idea was good at first, the main problem was that they didn't really ask if we were expecting the cache boxes to replace the lucky boxes (which is funny because the lucky boxes were replaced for a system that, back then, and now, is not in a state to be implemented)

 

 

Whenever you develop something  "better" to replace a previous system the first thing you have to do is run both together until the new one is already completely implemented and functional so there is no harm when shutting down the previus system.

 

I don't remember players asking for something to replace the previous system. What we wanted was an alternative.

ya, if i remember correctly it was at the time we had the in house with the korea ppl. it seemed to me at the time that changes were being made to kp systems in classic and re.., most likely as a result of the meetings or internal goals made around that time. renewal players have shot down camps attempts at a few systems. but all in all they have new ways to monetize things in the works.

 

we have 1/3 of a system that no one understands the design goals of... that no one asked for... and that when directly made a product (here's looking at headgear certs) cost sooooo much for why?!?!?!?!

 

 

now if headgear certs were "true card drop rate" from specific mobs..... like the system seemed to include originally? and the boxes were tiers in a way that made logic happy? then i would be kinda happy the old kp boxes were gone. idk.... i want to see it all in place so i can be more informed. but that's not happening this year.

the entire system, including all three tiers of boxes AND a cert + quest for each headgear we could have gotten from kp boxes then years before that..... coming 2018-2019. i wish i could find the post when this was announced.... i swear we were in the middle of taking a good look at the server and SMACK! this #### in our faces. funny part is the population , or , accounts logged in at once has only gone up..... are these players? i dont know. but i hope so.

[cakcuk]

I already got certificate wandering wolf but Could u explain why so hard finding items material like well dried bone 100 pcs = 0.25% rate, and Fur = I'm not found this monster on map, so hopeless
Thank

[Shomaye]

Spend $$ on keys to get the cert and now you find out it will take 50 hours to hunt the well-dried bones, gg.  They never posted the list online I guess. Does he ask for Sea-Otter Fur or the renewal item "Fur"?
[item=6020]

Edited by Shomaye, 31 January 2017 - 02:56 PM.

[cakcuk]

Spend $$ on keys to get the cert and now you find out it will take 50 hours to hunt the well-dried bones, gg. They never posted the list online I guess. Does he ask for Sea-Otter Fur or the renewal item "Fur"?
[item=6020]

[Campitor]

The Headgear NPC has been updated to provide more information regarding available head gears and their requirements.
Frank now lists all hats that can be made.
When you select a hat Frank will list all the parts needed to make it.
Headgear Certs will now be a flat 3% chance in all treasure cache rolls.

The Keys that drop from MVP's will be tradable. Note that this will not be retroactive.