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#1 fuyukikun

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Posted 21 January 2017 - 06:45 PM

that +12 slotted piercing staff + +9 ordinary black magician hat + bigben/neo punk or ngt mimic/ngt arclouze = 100% mdef bypass on undead, demon, brute and formless monsters.

calculated this by comparing with +15 crimson rod bigben/neo punk and mimic/arclouze, the piercing staff win on target with mdef over 150 (crimson rod wins on mdef lower than 150), which is basically most MVPs WL need to kill.

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#2 Kusanagisama

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Posted 21 January 2017 - 08:38 PM

I was hoping nobody would publish this info for a while... -___-


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Posted 21 January 2017 - 08:41 PM

wait the OBMH also ignores MVP's mdef? .-.


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Posted 21 January 2017 - 08:49 PM

wait the OBMH also ignores MVP's mdef? .-.

yes


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Posted 21 January 2017 - 08:50 PM

I was hoping nobody would publish this info for a while... -___-

sorry for raining on your parade. but some particular person keep screaming NEW META! NEW META!!! so, here it is...


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#6 son12

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Posted 21 January 2017 - 08:53 PM

yes

 

so the description ''normal monsters" is wrong? D:


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Posted 21 January 2017 - 09:08 PM

well, actually im not pretty sure. but i feel like it is also affecting boss monsters.


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Posted 21 January 2017 - 09:12 PM

sorry for raining on your parade. but some particular person keep screaming NEW META! NEW META!!! so, here it is...

 

Just kidding. In fact, after I created a Ranger and a SinX, even with a lot more money invested, my warlocks seem to strugle in about everything, so I lost a lot of my will to play and patience with the forum's community. You're not included in the patience loss, though.

 

Also, I did know about the full MDEF bypass (which made postpone the idea of saving for a Vesper Card, and made me double-regret not buying the KOSR while it was cheap), but I didn't do the math for the break-even point between this staff @+12 and the Crimson @+15, so you did me a great favor. On the other hand, it may make the price take longer to drop. And I want 4 of these babies at +12 or higher, so I'll need to make at least 4 of them +10 before the box is taken out of store. XD

 

well, actually im not pretty sure. but i feel like it is also affecting boss monsters.

 

Yes, it works. There was a time I was dealing 190K per SE against Dark Lord, and he broke my OMBH, and the damage fell to 120K. Should fall ~20K only, if the bypass didn't work on bosses. I think I still have this replay, though. Will check later.

 

EDIT: Deleted the replay since I wouldn't use it in video.


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Posted 21 January 2017 - 09:13 PM

So it's worth to get this staff, i thought it wasn't that good lel. Can't really afford to getting them since i'm close to that +15 crimson rod finally '-'


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Posted 21 January 2017 - 10:00 PM

you guys made me want to dump my geared sorc to play WL lol


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Posted 21 January 2017 - 10:54 PM

why not play both?
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Posted 21 January 2017 - 10:56 PM

Play all classes and try to get into the joyful side from all of them like fuyuki did :heh:


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Posted 21 January 2017 - 10:59 PM

I will check with Camp regarding the protocol :)


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Posted 21 January 2017 - 11:06 PM

so I'll need to make at least 4 of them +10 before the box is taken out of store. XD

 

 

make me one plz, i'll pay. i have zero luck on refining. only make it to +10, i will do it to +12 myself


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Posted 21 January 2017 - 11:26 PM

Uncle Fuyu how about slotted TSOD vs piercing staff for specific race killings beside demihumans?

Is the extra 10% extra mdef pierce from piercing staff worth the shot than the level 4 weapon matk bonus from TSOD?

As for multiple racial killings Piercing staff would definitely favorable though due to one extra slot than slotted TSOD like you've described above.


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Posted 21 January 2017 - 11:46 PM

Uncle Fuyu how about slotted TSOD vs piercing staff for specific race killings beside demihumans?

Is the extra 10% extra mdef pierce from piercing staff worth the shot than the level 4 weapon matk bonus from TSOD?

As for multiple racial killings Piercing staff would definitely favorable though due to one extra slot than slotted TSOD like you've described above.

depends on the mdef. but in case of fighting heavy mdef mobs like Celine Kimi, piercing will win. no matter how high the matk is, 100% mdef ignore is significant.

 

+12 TSOD + +9 OBMH + 50% mdef set = 90% mdef ignore, plus you cant use skull cap, so the extra matk bonus is nullified, making TSOD matk sucks.

 

say, you're fighting celine kimi with 444 mdef. that TSOD setup will reduce kimi's mdef to 44. 44 mdef is still equal to 72,5% dmg or 27,5% reduction. still a lot of losses.


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Posted 21 January 2017 - 11:52 PM

So its still worth a shot even against slotted TSOD, I guess I'll hoard some of them for future enriched hammer and mighty hammer refine events :heh:


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Posted 21 January 2017 - 11:59 PM

this is mdef vs reduction diagram i made, to tell you how significant mdef is

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Posted 22 January 2017 - 12:03 AM

I wish Mike and Co. would be generous enough to make another calculator for Spellcasters (WL/Sorc/SC/AB/Dorams/Kage-Obo), after the awesome feat on Ranger and GX calculators :heh:


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Posted 22 January 2017 - 02:17 AM

still ridiculed with the fact that one hand staff >>>>>> two handed staff in terms of DAMAGE,defense, utility and EVERYTHING!!!!!


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Posted 22 January 2017 - 09:17 AM

I feel like getting one now... should i truly do so? Was saving up for the Crimson Rod but apparently this one is a op option too. If that's so i'll get it before price goes up
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Posted 22 January 2017 - 09:51 AM

make me one plz, i'll pay. i have zero luck on refining. only make it to +10, i will do it to +12 myself

 

I'll try. Don't know the result, though. Last time I needed 50 Crimson Staves to make a +10 (according to this calc, it should've taken 91 XD), but now it's likely that I'll have A LOT of competitors. XD Cannot guarantee you anything.

 

still ridiculed with the fact that one hand staff >>>>>> two handed staff in terms of DAMAGE,defense, utility and EVERYTHING!!!!!

 

Ridiculous MDEF formula + band-aid fixes (like these cards) instead of rethinking and rebalancing the whole formula make this kind of -_- come true. Instead, they made the greatest band-aid fix, also called "Tempest Shadow Set", and since this "fix" has been blacklisted in iRO, it's likely that 2-handed staves will never more be a thing here. As I said when NCT and NP cards were implemented, Sunflower Boy was made obsolete even before it was implemented, and it was supposed to be the epithome of all staves. lol IF they ever implement mage/wizard/warlock shadow sets, sunflower boy will be better for those who have a Vesper Card. :heh: Well, looks like I shouldn't drop my Vesper Card Savings after all.


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Posted 22 January 2017 - 10:00 AM

JRO doesn't even have shadow gears system. So their gears are OK there. :)

 

PS. 50% def/mdef ignoring bonus from whole set of class shadow set doesn't work on boss.


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Posted 22 January 2017 - 10:07 AM

The staff has 2 slots right? So both sets of cards are able to be used there wew. OP
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Posted 22 January 2017 - 03:01 PM

JRO doesn't even have shadow gears system. So their gears are OK there. :)

 

PS. 50% def/mdef ignoring bonus from whole set of class shadow set doesn't work on boss.

Except that most of there 2 handed weapons has ignore def/mdef so it's really okay not to have those shadow sets as it's compensated by those, iRO on the other hand :/


Edited by CadburyChocolate, 22 January 2017 - 03:04 PM.

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