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[RomeroMelo]

So, how good is the new acc for CC damage? I would test it myself but i dont have aid condensed in any of my characters lol... Does it outrun RWC and Bakonawas, if you get the full bonus? For AD, for my calcs it wont do much, right? Has anyone tested it in game already?

Edited by RomeroMelo, 23 January 2017 - 09:52 PM.

[Azumatsu]

it give +10 int/dex/luk and +100 matk when your aid condensed potion lvl 10 each saphire wrist

 

 

yeah it outrun any other accessory beside meg

 

because CC damage calculation is int based and that huge int/dex bonus makes gene easier achieve instant cast through stat. that +100 matk crazy too for Acid bomb damage

it just you need sacrifice a lot of skill point to get maxed aid condensed potion 

[chr0nicles]

uncarded 2 sapphire wrist outdamage 2 bakos by very small margin.

when both carded with gold scaraba it outdamage 2 bakos by 5~7%.

the extra matk actually is not that great for AB, since gens generally dont have a lot of +%matk mod.

 

mine is uncarded, still loves em though. im not running on +20dex food all of the time, so the extra dex/int is nice.

[Azumatsu]

gene generally have a lot of %ranged atk gear which affected on status matk and equip matk

 

since atk and matk is equal on acid bomb damage formula. that +100 matk increase a lot

 

bako is really bad choice for gene accessory

[Ashuckel]

I like the aspd for cc spam under strings+ trans candy :v getting 185 aspd is nuts

[Azumatsu]

I like the aspd for cc spam under strings+ trans candy :v getting 185 aspd is nuts

video pls

 

i want seeing your 4x CC per second gene GG 

[chr0nicles]

because +%range affect both atk and matk, it also affects +%atk multiplicatively

when you have 14%atk from bako instead of 200matk from wrist, the 14%atk is also multiplied with range mods, so its kind of even them out. and we all now gens can have absurd amount of watk+eatk.

[RomeroMelo]

uncarded 2 sapphire wrist outdamage 2 bakos by very small margin.

when both carded with gold scaraba it outdamage 2 bakos by 5~7%.

the extra matk actually is not that great for AB, since gens generally dont have a lot of +%matk mod.

 

mine is uncarded, still loves em though. im not running on +20dex food all of the time, so the extra dex/int is nice.

 

 

I like the aspd for cc spam under strings+ trans candy :v getting 185 aspd is nuts

It seems to be the best acc if you dont have kiel's and meg, right? Insta cast isnt a problem as you have tons of buffs that help, i was more concerned about the dmg, as bako have size damage (or is it monster type? i'm at work now), anyway, it stack multiplicatively, adn the aspd helps in the animation.... In the other hand +10 int would increase the CC damage and help a little with the mdef and frost resistance... I'm not a main gene so i'd like to know what you guys think

[Ashuckel]

Bako is atk%

[chr0nicles]

damage wise, technically yes.

(two perfect RWC 6%atk int+3 [gold scaraba] is a little bit better, but its obtainability and untransferability making it not worth to get them)

 

and yea the description of bako tatoo is misleading, its actually just regular +7%atk, not %size mod.

its cumulative to other +%atk and +%boss type.

[darkadam]

matk helps more specially if you have more range % mod. i was thinking of +12 parasol with 1 AK card and 2x skeleton archer card then lvl10 FS enchant. parasol gives +10 matck in addition to its mak and atk bonus per enchant. if anyone can try for better results. or change AK card to skel archer for 3x skel archer.  

[Ashuckel]

Parasol is bad already told ya.

[Casval17]

[darkadam]

true.hahaha

[darkadam]

with more matk and you love collecting mobs you will have fire expansion lvl 5 at its best

[Ashuckel]

Crimson Sabre offers MUCH more atk, nearly the same matk, and has 1 extra slot.

[darkadam]

crimson sabre is 2 slot parasol has 3 card slots.. on top of matk bonus and atk bonus per refine it also gives +10 matk per refine.

[Casval17]

Try it in DrAzzy's Genetic Calculator to prove which theory is right, Ash or you Adam

 

no need to argue something that's just a mere hypothesis w/o formula in the forums

[darkadam]

Base Case: Case 1: Case 2: Str     Int     Dex     Luk     WAtk       WMAtk       Weap Level      Level 4   Level 3   Level 2   Level 1       Level 4   Level 3   Level 2   Level 1    Refine       +ATK     +MATK     +% Physical       +% Magic       +% Ranged     % Cast Reduction       Cart Boost Level      0   1   2   3   4   5       0   1   2   3   4   5    Sword Mastery Level      0   1   2   3   4   5       0   1   2   3   4   5    Axe Mastery Level      0   1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9   10       0   1   2   3   4   5   6   7   8   9   10    Cannonball      Iron   Holy   Shadow   Soul   Cannonball       Iron   Holy   Shadow   Soul   Cannonball    Size Mod      100%   75%   50%       100%   75%   50%    Weap Element      Neutral   Water   Earth   Fire   Wind   Poison   Holy   Shadow   Ghost   Undead       Neutral   Water   Earth   Fire   Wind   Poison   Holy   Shadow   Ghost   Undead    Target Element      Neutral   Water   Earth   Fire   Wind   Poison   Holy   Shadow   Ghost   Undead     1   2   3   4     Neutral   Water   Earth   Fire   Wind   Poison   Holy   Shadow   Ghost   Undead     1   2   3   4  Target VIT       CC (Min)   24103   25047 4% CC (Avg)   25156   26038 4% CC (Max)   26208   27028 3% CC Cast Time   0.49 s   0.49 s   CC DPS   16844   17435 4% AB (Min)   2540   2396 -6% AB (Avg)   2721   2566 -6% AB (Max)   2901   2736 -6%

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parasol to the left and crimson sabre to the right

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[darkadam]

sorry post is not clear parasol min damage is 

2540        crimson saber is min damage is 2396

 

[mildcontempt]

Crimson Sabre offers MUCH more atk, nearly the same matk, and has 1 extra slot.

 

Sabre gives mATK (other than regular refine)? 

 

EDIT: Also, yeah, Parasol is a disappointment (only use I can imagine for it is a cheap mATK weapon for a rogue you can yolo upgrade.) 

Edited by mildcontempt, 30 January 2017 - 07:22 PM.

[Ashuckel]

Left is Crimson Sabre, Right is Parasol.

Spoiler

While not the best setup for damage, i made it a setup that boosts matk portion the most (Maelstrom pendants, AS carded weapons, etc)

Even then, Crimson Sabre still beats it.

ONLY IF, you get an FS10, wich is 50 atk, with this same setup, then Parasol becomes equal to C.Sabre.

In any setup serious about dmg you wouldnt use this much AS cards but instead AK cards, wich would boost the crimson atk part way more:

Spoiler

simply replacing AS cards on weapon by AK cards

 

Sabre gives mATK (other than regular refine)? 
 
EDIT: Also, yeah, Parasol is a disappointment (only use I can imagine for it is a cheap mATK weapon for a rogue you can yolo upgrade.)

 

Yeah it gives refine*refine/2.
There's a multitude of cheaper and better daggers for matk tho :x

Edited by Ashuckel, 31 January 2017 - 01:54 AM.

[mildcontempt]

I am looking at my +9 saber, and it only gives 45 matk (from its level 3 refine bonus of 9 * 5) when I equip it. Are you sure you aren't mistaking it for crimson dagger?

 

Yeah, we have the super cheap Krishnagar now, which usable by non-trans classes (and at a lower level, at that). I think if parasol was a dagger (stretching the imagination for a bit) it could be a niche weapon for its 3 card slots and not terrible mATK, but given that mages and ninjas can't use it, meh. Either way, it'd be... subpar. I wanted to like it, but it doesn't really serve a purpose. I guess you could put 3 anti-undead matk cards on it and run around soul striking things /shrug.

Edited by mildcontempt, 31 January 2017 - 08:56 AM.

[darkadam]

well i guest the best is just use parasol for FE5 since it has high matk. 3 hunterfly then +13 with +50 atk enchant 

[Paranoian]

Going back to the topic, I have two RWC Rings with a bit crappy enchants carded (3 int, FS2, HP300 & 3 Luk, FS3, ATK3%) with Scaraba Cards (I was originally planning to save up some z and have them reenchanted to perfect ones). I have tested Acid Bomb damage against uncarded Sapphire Wrists. To negate the +atk brought about by the cards, I equipped a Mace[3] (37 atk, closest I know to 40 atk and has 100% size modifier). Tested this against Orc Warriors. 

 

The result is, sapphire wins against the RWC set even in the absence of the cards. Compared this as well with 2x bakonawa tattoo and the gap is even larger.