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#1 Persever

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Posted 02 February 2017 - 09:18 AM

this is the newest monk weapon. it needs to be +10...

this is a weapon for lvling?(60 to 99 rebirth again)

some one have tried her? and want to share some thing/?

it is worth?


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Posted 02 February 2017 - 09:31 AM

unfortunately no knuckles is worth using due to the awful size mod, you better off with a crimson mace specially if you have to +10 it


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Posted 02 February 2017 - 09:36 AM

https://forums.warpp...y-use-knuckles/

 

Basically, no. Mace is better. I can imagine a contrived setup where you make the 100% size mod shine, but that's beyond "reasonable" and into "thought experiment"... though that can be fun in its own way. 


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Posted 02 February 2017 - 10:04 AM

there are various cases where spartacus beats the other maces avaiable :v, even kvm (like, +14 kvm), and it's not too difficult to pull off such a feat. that's why i enjoyed the absurdly low prices on these babies and stocked a bunch of them :v


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Posted 02 February 2017 - 11:31 AM

I see me and you are on the same wavelength here Ashuckel.


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Posted 02 February 2017 - 11:53 AM

i mean, let's consider the weapons alone.

PS> i'll use only relevant info for the comparison.
+14 kvm has +175% demihuman dmg, 30% def bypass, and 130 base atk

+14 Spartacus[2] has +100% against small/medium/big, 14% atk, 2 slots, 100 base atk. Let's say you card it with 2x Hydra (40%), you got a total of 1(base) x 2(medium) x 1.14(atk) x 1.4(demihuman) = 3,192-1 = 2.192*100 = 219,2%

the overall % boost itself is higher than a kvm. Then there comes various factors such as size penalty, str bonus etc. That may and will change the final output on each different setup.

With higher overall %, spartacus can benefit more from eATK gears than kvm can, as they ignore size penalty.
With higher base damage, kvm mace benefits more from raw str to increase the STR bonus part of the weapon attack.

If you wanna go stupid, and put like a Samurai or even a Thanatos card on the knuckle, you just made a far superior weapon for Tiger Cannon than is KVM.

And so on. Possibilites are plenty.


Oh mind me, i compared with KVM as it is the "ultimate dmg against something weapon", If you compare to more general stuff like Carga, Crimsons, etc, there's a high chance spartacus will wind as well, but again, each different setup will bring different results.


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#7 Persever

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Posted 02 February 2017 - 12:43 PM

yes. but no one in iro test spartacus to see the difference? overall i thiink u guys are right, but this is just theory

if this is "the best possible weapon for current patch" why no one talk about it? no screen no video...


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#8 mildcontempt

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Posted 02 February 2017 - 12:47 PM

Because few people want to invest the funds to +14 a weapon without the refine vent (and also, it is pretty new.) Where-as a +14 KVM mace is useful in PVM as well, and on multiple classes. 

 

The weapon is cheap enough that you can afford to yolo upgrade to +10 on a mastersmith, at which point you'll have the majority of the benefits. Getting to +12 isn't too investment heavy, so if you have some spare HD Bradium you can opt for that as well.

 

I dunno, I don't think I'd invest in +14ing it, but then I don't main or like Sura, so I have my biases. 


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Posted 02 February 2017 - 01:13 PM

The +14 was just to compare and say the kvm and spartacus were the same, ofc you can use a +12 wich is ass cheap and it's just as much effective '-' only minor atk difference and 2% atk.


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Posted 02 February 2017 - 01:16 PM

yes. but no one in iro test spartacus to see the difference? overall i thiink u guys are right, but this is just theory

There's no need for doing it ingame if you know how the game calculates the attack. In wich case, i know, so it is what i said.

 

if this is "the best possible weapon for current patch" why no one talk about it? no screen no video...

Because ppl are lazy to think for 5min about it and realize it, and so they deem it as useless before even putting some tought into it. And there are ppl that knew this just as i did, you don't have to speak up for everyone if you don't want to '-'


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Posted 02 February 2017 - 01:37 PM

The +14 was just to compare and say the kvm and spartacus were the same, ofc you can use a +12 wich is ass cheap and it's just as much effective '-' only minor atk difference and 2% atk.

 

My response was mostly to Persever in regards to why no one talks about it. I'm all for buying cheap and going for a +12 if you think it's fun/effective in a preferred build; as I said in my first post. I just don't play Sura enough to value the weapon. Though maybe I can return to my battle priest some day /single-tear


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Posted 02 February 2017 - 02:26 PM

This is similar to the debacle with the Warlocks and Piercing Staff[2] in the package. Everyone regarded it as a useless piece of gear not worthy of buying the box for until Fuyukikun gave out the statistics on what refine level it should be at to totally change the gameplay for Warlocks. I think the damage is still abit on the low side considering lvl 3 weapon but as many Warlock players have noted in that topic, its good for using against MVP's since crimson Rod cannot pierce completely through the mdef of MVP's and Piercing Staff will out damage it in that department. 


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Posted 02 February 2017 - 02:44 PM

Totally changes gameplay... for a few weeks then the super mdef accessories get released :Y


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Posted 02 February 2017 - 03:02 PM

I did put drake on mine w/o doing prior computation for MVPing. Somewhat pleased.

 

It might be one of the best weapon against doram


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Posted 02 February 2017 - 06:46 PM

Drake and ss card? Good for woe TC?
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Posted 14 February 2017 - 07:43 AM

Suras fearing the incoming Doram menace will do well to start gobbling up all the Spartacuses... Spartaci? Spatarcus weapons they can. 

 

 


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