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#26 Nirvanna21

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Posted 18 February 2017 - 04:48 PM

I feel like if you don't have strings or kiels, picky peck is pretty lackluster and people are going to be disappointed.

 

30% Reduction is more than enough. When excellion is released, combine that with new waves and you got 30%, you could even toss in a HWHB for good measure :D

 

Either way the damage done can be amazing, but it need to be built right.


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Posted 18 February 2017 - 04:52 PM

excellion needs to take up mant slot as combo ... args, lol ....


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Posted 18 February 2017 - 04:57 PM

excellion needs to take up mant slot as combo ... args, lol ....

 

Picky Peck doesn't gain anything from the combo :U That's Lunatic and Catnip Meteor. Peck and Spear get their boost from their standalone accesories.


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Posted 18 February 2017 - 05:00 PM

eh? I was under the impression that after cast delay applies to picky peck so kiels x2 are great. if the arguement that excellion -20% after cast delay is useful it takes away FAW EA10 menblatt which is a huge problem.

 

are you saying kiels are useless for picky peck? * shock *


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Posted 18 February 2017 - 05:04 PM

wat '-'


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Posted 18 February 2017 - 05:09 PM

as far as picky peck is concerned

 

1. variable cast: 2x worms = none

2. fixed cast = none

3. delay = yes, hence kiels help

4. aspd is useful if you have enough after delay reduction

 

so when nirvanna said excellion is useless for picky peck when it gives 20% after cast delay redux i get confused ... i saw kiels make a huge difference to spam

 

and ash, how to 192 aspd pls <3 ~


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Posted 18 February 2017 - 05:11 PM

he didnt said that


he said picky peck doesnt gain anything from the doram combo


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Posted 18 February 2017 - 05:16 PM

excellion needs to take up mant slot as combo ... args, lol ....

 

this was the statement he was referring to ...?


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Posted 18 February 2017 - 05:22 PM

and the spam you gain from excellion garment is potentially more DPS than the faw ranged dmg, as you are stacking ranged dmg from other sources as well.


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Posted 18 February 2017 - 05:25 PM

yes boss, I will slowly digest those words of wisdom

 

thank you XD


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Posted 18 February 2017 - 10:20 PM

this was the statement he was referring to ...?

 

Yes, the bit where you said "mant slot as combo," so Nirvanna said the Doram manteau/suit/shoes etc. combo isn't as important for Picky Peck. I believe Excellion gear can be enchanted in a future update too.

https://forums.warpp...-mar-25th-2015/
 


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Posted 18 February 2017 - 10:53 PM

Yes, the bit where you said "mant slot as combo," so Nirvanna said the Doram manteau/suit/shoes etc. combo isn't as important for Picky Peck. I believe Excellion gear can be enchanted in a future update too.

https://forums.warpp...-mar-25th-2015/
 

 

It can, things that would serve a physical doram build would be max HP or pure ATK, you can even enchant each gear once with what is essentially a wakwak card which is nice.


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Posted 19 February 2017 - 12:48 AM

Anyone know the full benefits of the final passive skill on phys path? I get the Picky Peck benefit, but what are the other ones? 

 

 


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Posted 19 February 2017 - 12:56 AM

Soul Attack passive effect and all skills damage

carrot,savage,picky,tarou

and it scales from current Hp

 

 


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Posted 19 February 2017 - 01:00 AM

So is it all just bonus damage equal to your current HP %? 

 

AKA double damage at full HP


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Posted 19 February 2017 - 01:16 AM

yes, max hp = maximum damage 

not sure by how much. sometimes i think it is 150% not 100%

or maybe based on base lv? max hp at lv 175 = 175%


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Posted 19 February 2017 - 01:18 AM

30% Reduction is more than enough. When excellion is released, combine that with new waves and you got 30%, you could even toss in a HWHB for good measure :D

 

Either way the damage done can be amazing, but it need to be built right.

 

30% is fine if you have -_- agi, sure.

I am just saying that all of the videos and hype are misleading to newer players.

Excellion is however long away and makes you a glass cannon. Kiels along with the freedom to use other card is still insanely better.


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Posted 19 February 2017 - 07:36 AM

So is it all just bonus damage equal to your current HP %? 

 

AKA double damage at full HP

 

yes


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Posted 19 February 2017 - 11:01 AM

30% is fine if you have -_- agi, sure.

I am just saying that all of the videos and hype are misleading to newer players.

Excellion is however long away and makes you a glass cannon. Kiels along with the freedom to use other card is still insanely better.

 

Ultimately a pure phys doram build would get 120 base AGI, and using picky peck means that they wouldn't need to use a full Doram set. Using an enchanted ASPD garment, HBP with Cenere and +12 Felrock boots I was able to hit 192 ASPD and still do massive damage.

 

Even if you broke the HBP for an excellion combo, you can still add 2 aspd for excellion enchants which gives you even more of an effect. Please not these numbers also included using a valkyrie shield.

 

The fact is, a pure phys build makes you a glass cannon, but you can mitigate plenty of damage through shield alone, and use stoop for further reduction if you need to take time to heal. Furthermore the damage you deal when you are at peak performance is so large that the only ones that come to mind in terms of not lasting long enough are MVPs like timeholder.

 

But in the end, 190 aspd with 30% delay reduction is going to be fine and easy to obtain :U


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Posted 19 February 2017 - 12:18 PM

with 30% delay reduction you only need 165 aspd to match delay vs aspd :v you only need insade amounts of aspd if you go insane amounts of delay reductions, and vice versa.


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Posted 19 February 2017 - 03:16 PM

im having a hard time levleing physical doram in low lvl TI @ lvl 71, any tips? heard others dorams solo it easily


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Posted 19 February 2017 - 03:41 PM

Max hp doesn't do anything for physical doram. Only your current hp %. If you have 250k max hp, you'll be doing the same damage if you had 25k max hp, as long as you were at full hp in both cases. Getting any strictly hp increasing enchants/gear would be a complete waste of damage.

190 aspd with 30% delay reduction is kind of a waste, too. With 30% delay reduction, you still have a 700 ms delay between attacks. That means you only need 165 aspd to hit max dps, without strings. In order to fully utilize 190 aspd, you need at least 80% reduction.

High aspd is only worth getting if you're gonna have strings, or you have a pair of kiels. Even with a pair of kiels, you only need 180 aspd.
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Posted 19 February 2017 - 03:48 PM

Actually by saying Max HP , i meant full hp, 

 

not max hp , number of maximum hp 

 

i should say full hp tho :V


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Posted 19 February 2017 - 04:42 PM

im having a hard time levleing physical doram in low lvl TI @ lvl 71, any tips? heard others dorams solo it easily

 

Honestly, level somewhere else until you either can one-shot them or team up with a party. 

 

Green Petites are p good, and one-shottable (and you can fire endow for bonus damage). The Geffen spotlight makes them give high base XP as well, and bounty board. 

 

Otherwise, I just stacked attack boost stuff and used the eden staff + EA FAW + takoyaki and flywinged around in TI and shot things. 

 

Shackle + BSB, RWC ring, EA FAW with menblatt, kingbird or physical shadow set, takoyaki, reno buff, and you're p good to go. Can also use an alt sorc for striking, an alt AB for odin's power, or whatever else to boost it up. 


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Posted 19 February 2017 - 04:59 PM

imo answer for this problem is Lv 60 Staff

 

it has same atk with eden ||| but better stats and not just that

3 slots , it means 30% more ranged attack or 60% racial attack.

 

if with eden staff you can one shot them, with this staff you will overkill them

and good substitute for expensive attack gears ( in case if newer player playing doram ).

 

basically if you have this staff, leveling to 100 will be a breeze

and you can make any dorams you want, any builds, and reset when you hit 100.

 

but this staff, its nowhere to be found and has drop rate of 0.05%

even less than that i think

 

trololol~~


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