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#101 Sewasan

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Posted 23 March 2017 - 09:27 PM

you dont need to +9 those babies :v


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Posted 23 March 2017 - 09:32 PM

Unless you're an OCD contracted person who can't stand watch your gears refined under +9  :heh:


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Posted 24 March 2017 - 01:06 AM

^ Me when i thought i was rich, My current self is happy with +7 xD
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Posted 25 March 2017 - 09:39 AM

Yeah I know +7 Pororoca Shoes is good enough. Just the recent seller was selling +7 Pororoca Shoes at 245M, while the +9 version was sold at around 300M. In this case, Id definitely take +9 at 300M, since in no way +7 is worth near 250M. The good news is, earlier today I saw another seller who only charged 150M for +7 Pororoca Shoes, so I bought it and the deal was about fair thus far. 


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Posted 25 March 2017 - 09:49 AM

I dont see a problem on that price for +7. It wont rise too much to a +9 since effects are all given at +7 already
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Posted 25 March 2017 - 11:56 AM

Well the price is 87% higher than the average price, and the average price range is around 130M-170M. If I am desperate enough I would buy from that price, but I am not really that desperate. To me 250M for +7 Pororoca Shoes is too expensive, and I have rights not to buy from that price.


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Posted 03 May 2017 - 12:33 AM

Against MvPs, I think +15 Crimson Rod is better.

 

My set:

 

- +15 Crimson rod (mdef pierce cards)

- shield combo

- +14 Ordinary Hat

- Vesper mid gear

 

Total = 118% mdef piercing

 

vs

 

- +15 la'cryma (mdef pierce cards)

- shield combo

- +7 poroca shoes

- +9 skull cap

 

Total = 100% mdef piercing

 

Even with extra matk from skull cap, the +matk from la'cryma is not as good as +15 crimson rod.

 

Maybe for water spells, lacryma would deal more damage but for wind/ghost spells, I believe crimson rod is better.


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Posted 03 May 2017 - 12:51 AM

I suppose the difference most of all with your gears is that reaching +14 for an OBMH and that Vesper card looks a bit unreal to many '-' (me for example). Like if you can get the mdef piercing by other means to 100% while using Crimson Rod then it certainly will cause higher dmg since what makes La'cryma set shine over Crimson Rod is only the mdef piercing it gives + the boots. Thought those who have tried the waterball and liked it so far will also have another pro for this "new" set
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Posted 03 May 2017 - 05:03 AM

Against MvPs, I think +15 Crimson Rod is better.

 

My set:

 

- +15 Crimson rod (mdef pierce cards)

- shield combo

- +14 Ordinary Hat

- Vesper mid gear

 

Total = 118% mdef piercing

 

vs

 

- +15 la'cryma (mdef pierce cards)

- shield combo

- +7 poroca shoes

- +9 skull cap

 

Total = 100% mdef piercing

 

Even with extra matk from skull cap, the +matk from la'cryma is not as good as +15 crimson rod.

 

Maybe for water spells, lacryma would deal more damage but for wind/ghost spells, I believe crimson rod is better.

 

Yeah, with Vesper Card the entire picture will change, especially if you can afford two. I dont think this is feasible for most ppls though, even a +14 OBMH is near impossible to acquire. I know only one seller who actually has it, and he wont sell for 3b, I am not sure he would even accept 5b.
 


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Posted 03 May 2017 - 06:45 AM

With a +14 OBMH and Vesper Card, I'd get ANOTHER Vesper Card and use my Staff of Destruction, or even a Crimson Staff. :P


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Posted 03 May 2017 - 07:06 AM

How much more MATK does Crimson Staff provide compared to Crimson Rod at the same refine level?


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Posted 03 May 2017 - 07:11 AM

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rod+mad bunny would be more damage
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Posted 03 May 2017 - 07:19 AM

SoD is better then, because wMATK > eMATK.


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Posted 03 May 2017 - 07:27 AM

SoD is better than Crimson Staff, so yes.

And Sunflower Boy is much better than SoD :v
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Posted 03 May 2017 - 08:02 AM

Do we even have Sunflower Kid on iRO yet? It says that its not dropped by any monsters so far.

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Posted 03 May 2017 - 08:09 AM

not yet, but it's coming soon in 16.1

and dont link RMS here

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Posted 03 May 2017 - 08:43 AM

What! For real?! Sunflower is gotten from that MVP in the new instance right?
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Posted 03 May 2017 - 09:00 AM

Yes, by Stephane Jack Earnest Wolf. And by a mini-boss there as well. Immortal Wind Ghost.


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Posted 03 May 2017 - 09:28 AM

Immortal Wind Ghost... if we had an alternative easier way of reaching the 100% mdef piercing would be my default staff card '-'
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Posted 03 May 2017 - 08:24 PM

Yeah, with Vesper Card the entire picture will change, especially if you can afford two. I dont think this is feasible for most ppls though, even a +14 OBMH is near impossible to acquire. I know only one seller who actually has it, and he wont sell for 3b, I am not sure he would even accept 5b.
 

 

Oh lol. Didn't know +14s OBMH were that difficult to make.

 

Btw, even with the highest matk from crimson staff, you can't use shield combo for mdef piercing so you will get stuck with 68% mdef piercing.

 

Unless you card it with Vesper lol... kinda a waste of Vesper but it may be feasible to get 98%mdef piercing with just headgears alone lel.


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Posted 18 May 2017 - 07:47 PM

Hi,

 

 

for people who can't afford to buy a +15 lacryma,  is it ok to invest in a +7 only ?  is there so many difference between +7 and + 15 regarding dmg ?    BTW i don't need the reduced cast time for SG !!!


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Posted 18 May 2017 - 10:35 PM

You'll want it for massive waterball damage boost, it has became one of strongest DPS single target killing spell in Warlock arsenal aside from Soul Expansion and Chain Lightning since the shoes were introduced to the server.

 

The MATK gap from overupgraded variance bonus between +7 and +15 also quite huge.

 

Read this old thread to learn more about MATK variance and try to understand refinement concept here


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Posted 18 May 2017 - 11:03 PM

Ty Data Drain,

 

so, if I only calculate the max matk increase, the increase for a +7 lacryma is around 44 matk, and for a +15 it is 108 matk ... 64 matk difference.  is that so much?

 


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Posted 18 May 2017 - 11:33 PM

Try expand the collapsed table for lvl 3 weapons, see overall value  :p_smile: 


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Posted 19 May 2017 - 05:17 AM

Ty Data Drain,

 

so, if I only calculate the max matk increase, the increase for a +7 lacryma is around 44 matk, and for a +15 it is 108 matk ... 64 matk difference.  is that so much?

 

Each upgrade increases the damage on waterball by 20% and the damage on water property spells by 3%. It IS huge in the end.

 

But if you're underbudgeted, get a +7 now (will be crap), +10 it on next Enriched Hammer event, and upgrade it more later. +12 is already good enough.


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