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#1 SilberWolfe

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Posted 04 April 2017 - 04:36 AM

Hello, 

 

I have a level 93 Assassin with the following stats, equip and skill:

STR:62

AGI:98

Vit:20

Dex:50 and the rest is one

 

Standard Eden group lvl 60 equip

RH: Eden Group Dagger III

LH: Eden Group Dagger II

 

Double Attack lv 10

Steal lv 5

Envenom lv 5

Improve Dodge lv 10

Hiding lv 9

Detoxify lv 1

RH and LH master lv 5 

Katar Mastery lv 10

Cloaking lv 10

Enchant Poison lv 5

Sonic Blow lv 10

Grimtooth lv 4

 

My question:

1) I heard and read the hybrid assassin is not good, but your skill points are enough for both. Although, after using dual dagger and katar, I am more inclined that using dual dagger have more dps than katar? Or I am wrong? If that is the case, after rebirth, don't I have like 30 skill points left?

2) I don't get the game mechanic. Using katar is counted as two-handed weapon and hence the double attack doesn't work. If I use for example +10 infil and +10 ice pick in both hands, Isn't it the ice pick will have more dps? Hence there is no need for katar mastery? Although if that if that is the case, then I don't need sonicblow and grimtooth as well. Means I have a total of 44 skill points left. Granted I can use it for meteor assault and the like but I will have more skill points now.

 

So yeah. My first time playing Assassin,... My apology if I sounds ignorant,

 

Thank you all. 

 


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Posted 04 April 2017 - 05:18 AM

There are many different builds in this game.  Have you looked at irowiki.org to see what people have shown?  I made 1 of each type because I am crazy OCD and need 1 of everything.  For my Dagger builds, I skipped all katar skills and focused on skills to improve my damage with daggers.  I use Eden 3 dagger in right hand with Endow/Converter and Icepick in left hand.  At lvl 80 I do 1500-1700 damage on Wraith and Evil Druid with a double attack.  I followed the stats build on wiki.


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Posted 04 April 2017 - 07:37 AM

For your time as Assassin and Assassin Cross it does not really matter if you use Katars or Daggers to level.

As soon as you become GX however, you will want to focus on Katars to grind: Rolling Cutter is a super easy to use AoE with really good DPS, but it requires you to use a Katar.

There are Dagger builds for GX (Double Dagger Double Attack and Double Dagger Crit), but Daggers are more used as endgame weapons.


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Posted 04 April 2017 - 02:57 PM

so if I may summarize:

Katar --> Uses lots of active skills such as sonicblow and rolling cutter

DD --> uses more passive skills such as double attack

 

am I right?

 

 

For your time as Assassin and Assassin Cross it does not really matter if you use Katars or Daggers to level.

As soon as you become GX however, you will want to focus on Katars to grind: Rolling Cutter is a super easy to use AoE with really good DPS, but it requires you to use a Katar.

There are Dagger builds for GX (Double Dagger Double Attack and Double Dagger Crit), but Daggers are more used as endgame weapons.

 

 

"endgame weapon" what do you mean by that?


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Posted 04 April 2017 - 07:28 PM

Just like they said above level however you want but when you reach GX  go for Katar and RC everthing. That is the easiest way to level then when you hit max Reset stats and go DD if you want.  If you level as Dagger build you really don't have an AOE skill so you have to click every single target  with RC you can mob them up and hit them all.

 

"end game Weapon"-

Is a Weapon you would be using once you hit max level.. even though you will most likely need more then 1 end game if you want to take out different things. Example: +9 Thanatos katar , +15 Crimson Katar, +9 - +12 KVM, FQL Dagger, KVM Dagger Etc..


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Posted 04 April 2017 - 11:19 PM

"end game Weapon"-

Is a Weapon you would be using once you hit max level.. even though you will most likely need more then 1 end game if you want to take out different things. Example: +9 Thanatos katar , +15 Crimson Katar, +9 - +12 KVM, FQL Dagger, KVM Dagger Etc..

 

I meant weapons used to MVP mostly, because they have no use when grinding. (Since let's face it, most pvm endgame stuff revolves about farming and MVPs even if you can start earlier. :v)

Malicious Thanatos Katar is also used when you're max level, but mostly has it's uses while grinding so it is no endgame weapon.

A double Liberation Crimson Katar has little use when grinding, but is very useful for MVPing - endgame weapon right here, especially at +15.

FQL also qualifies as endgame weapon imo, since you don't really use daggers to level once you hit 100+. I mean you can, but it'll mostly be slower than mobbing things up and spamming Rolling Cutter.

(Unless you level on MVPs, this however is it's own case.)


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Posted 06 April 2017 - 06:58 PM

I meant weapons used to MVP mostly, because they have no use when grinding. (Since let's face it, most pvm endgame stuff revolves about farming and MVPs even if you can start earlier. :v)

Malicious Thanatos Katar is also used when you're max level, but mostly has it's uses while grinding so it is no endgame weapon.

A double Liberation Crimson Katar has little use when grinding, but is very useful for MVPing - endgame weapon right here, especially at +15.

FQL also qualifies as endgame weapon imo, since you don't really use daggers to level once you hit 100+. I mean you can, but it'll mostly be slower than mobbing things up and spamming Rolling Cutter.

(Unless you level on MVPs, this however is it's own case.)

I only said Thana because it is my go to leech weapon when i run OGH or NTF and mobby Instance until the boss comes. that is why i said End game.


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Posted 06 April 2017 - 10:35 PM

I only said Thana because it is my go to leech weapon when i run OGH or NTF and mobby Instance until the boss comes. that is why i said End game.

 

I default my Holy Crimson Katar in there. :P

Sure if I need leech Thanatos Katar is my go-to weapon, too. But that really is mostly for grinding(/farming).

Running OGH and HTF with (near) max level GX makes you not really need a huge ammount of leech, so you can use a weapon with more damage instead.


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Posted 12 April 2017 - 03:40 PM

I default my Holy Crimson Katar in there. :P

Sure if I need leech Thanatos Katar is my go-to weapon, too. But that really is mostly for grinding(/farming).

Running OGH and HTF with (near) max level GX makes you not really need a huge ammount of leech, so you can use a weapon with more damage instead.

Mainly use it for the SP leech  don't need health lol and i lost my Inc Pet :( 


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Posted 24 April 2017 - 01:52 PM

All i can say is.... you can do both in 1 char. Katar and DD

 


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Posted 24 April 2017 - 02:24 PM

DD Crit** is not able to pick those up, DA still has superb katar damage :v(the best actually, at cost of little hit rate)
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Posted 24 April 2017 - 02:51 PM

DA enchant stone please!


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Posted 24 April 2017 - 02:59 PM

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Posted 24 April 2017 - 03:03 PM

for F U N


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