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[Hardc0re]

I was messing around on Doram's skills (only theory for now, I haven't played Ragnarok in a while) and made a mATK build with some support skills on the side.

 

Since Spirit of Land don't seem very attractive to me, I decided to get 1 point in Arcloush Dash for the speed buff.

Since that requires 3 points in Picky Peck that made me think: "why not put all 5 points in there anyways?".

 

My build had already a good ammount of STR for weight but for this build I'd pump a bit more of it. Basically I'd have about 100 STR/INT/VIT with about 120 DEX and leftover points (about 70) in LUK.

 

The goal of Picky Peck would be using it as an alternative to SV Stem on targets that have lots of mDEF, or when the target reaches 30% HP (for double Peck).

 

Do you think it might be doable? I mean it's only 2 points more than I planned on my previous build.

Or do you tihnk it's a waste of time and I shouldn't even get Arclouse Dash at all?

 

Thanks in advance.

[Nirvanna21]

Picky Peck loses out on a lot of damage by not going full physical. It would be pointless to invest :X

[Tofu]

The biggest problem is having to swap out both accessories when changing from magic -> physical in the middle of killing something.

[Hardc0re]

The biggest problem is having to swap out both accessories when changing from magic -> physical in the middle of killing something.

Yes, for the Dex damage bonus right?

 

But can it be viable? I mean, I'm already putting 3 points in it, might as well use 2 more.

Or do you think I should give up on Arclouse Dash entirely and focus on the other 2 trees?

[Tofu]

Would it be highly competitive? No, since you'll be doing less than half the damage a pure physical build would do (Spirit of Life is 120% bonus picky peck damage at full health).

Could it work? Probably, yeah. If your goal is to have a mainly magic doram, but it has the option of using picky peck in rare situations, and your plan is to use it for instances or general pvm stuff, then yes I think it would do alright. As long as you can get used to swapping out a ton of equipment. And there's no way to hotkey swapping both accessories atm, so you would have to click at least one of the off through the equipment window.


And yes, the earth worm accessories give +200% picky peck damage at 120 base dex (100% each). If you don't use the accessories, there's no point in using picky peck at all.

Edited by Tofu, 01 May 2017 - 03:12 PM.

[Nirvanna21]

Also 120 DEX is a waste for a magic summoner.

 

I would argue it would be more viable to just do the magic/support, but that's my two cents.

 

Also you can get arclouse dash as a 175 doram without putting points into the skill, by using the yellow foxtail staff for magic casters, It gives a 10% chance of casting arclouse dash level 1 when casting fresh shrimp.

 

Not as reliable but then you don't miss out on the juicy points :U

[Amongluttony]

I was messing around on Doram's skills (only theory for now, I haven't played Ragnarok in a while) and made a mATK build with some support skills on the side.

 

Since Spirit of Land don't seem very attractive to me, I decided to get 1 point in Arcloush Dash for the speed buff.

Since that requires 3 points in Picky Peck that made me think: "why not put all 5 points in there anyways?".

 

My build had already a good ammount of STR for weight but for this build I'd pump a bit more of it. Basically I'd have about 100 STR/INT/VIT with about 120 DEX and leftover points (about 70) in LUK.

 

The goal of Picky Peck would be using it as an alternative to SV Stem on targets that have lots of mDEF, or when the target reaches 30% HP (for double Peck).

 

Do you think it might be doable? I mean it's only 2 points more than I planned on my previous build.

Or do you tihnk it's a waste of time and I shouldn't even get Arclouse Dash at all?

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Nope

1.- Picky Peck loss a high amount of damage if you dont get the full tree for physical build.

2.- 120 DEX is a waste of stats points for a Magical build since the major cast from doram is fixed.

3.- Waste skills points to get only Arclouse Dash lv1 is just a big NO, you can easy get from Guarana Candy, Speed pot, Spirit of land, Yellow weapon and soon will get a accessory with agi lv3 i think from episode 16.1

4.- Nyang Grass decrease enemys DEF and MDEF 50% (and Players 100%).

 

Im not agains in get a mixed build but the only mixed build you can do and work it is Magical and Support.

 

Edit: I forgot to mention Nyang Grass and Catnip Powdering work on Boss enemys, already tested, so dont let down the sexy magic class ):

Edited by Amongluttony, 01 May 2017 - 06:18 PM.

[Hardc0re]

Okay, I gonna go the Magic/Support route then.

I'll also tune down DEX a bit on my build

 

Thanks for the info guys

Edited by Hardc0re, 01 May 2017 - 07:47 PM.

[Cleofe]

I think it still be good, just be ready to swap your weapon with samurai card and one acce, i think youll have some 90dex so in a surprise attack from magic to physical that could work.

Its like cutting down about 40%-50% from full physical damage and thats not bad at all specially if you have kiels xD for spamming. But you would need a bit high agi as well for it to work sacrificing Vit to low 40-50's.

Best to try it out in a pvp and check if you are doing substantial amount of damage by just swapping physical weapon and physical acce.

Edited by Cleofe, 02 May 2017 - 07:52 AM.

[Ashuckel]

you'll lose way more than 40~50% damage '-'

[Cleofe]

you'll lose way more than 40~50% damage '-'

Maybe yes, but full physical with samurai is too strong, even if you lose 125% of damage, its still a lot of damage if you switch from magically attacking to physically attacking a high mdef target by surprise.

[Ashuckel]

ehh no

[Cleofe]

In woe isnt it the damage output is reduced by half? Correct me if im wrong. So thats technically about less one Accesory correct? Its not going to be exactly like this because of the spirit of life. But still damage would be good imo.

https://youtu.be/NfxjAdcRrDQ

Edited by Cleofe, 02 May 2017 - 08:13 AM.

[Ashuckel]

not only accessory, stat distribution has impact as well(by mixing builds neither of the two will have it's "full" damage potential stat-wise), also having so swap the entire set to just use another skill would take too long mid battle, so you just switch a part of it, wich again penalizes the damage.

Yes woe reduces damage by half, but you and I know that you shouldn't take Sinergia as a standard to succesfull or not in terms of damage lol(sry sinergia ppl :v), I could wipe them on my oboro as well, wich is tens of times inferior in damage compared to doram, and can be reduced lol. (even using my sorc with absolutely S***t gears i could do it '-')

[Cleofe]

Hahaha i will test it on later assuming the target had Valk with orc warrior card, advanced pipe and brutal shadow shield.

Ill check whats the damage.

But just wanna make it clear, im talking about pvp damage not woe damage.

If the OP is asking about it for woe, I think its no good. But in pvp damage could still be ok.