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[TrustedMailbox]

The ms and as cap is they can do for us because last time we are complaint that lots of the people with high ms running around bsq and PvP, the popcorn and his team is come out with cap make our PvP or bsq not longer have any runner . So pls don't complaint anymore. They had did everything for us . To let us have a better gameplay . If u keep too much ms item that is mean it's your time to lost your profit . We all want clean pvp not ms pvp so don't complain anymore . For now and for all its good enough thank to popcorn and the team and dragonaslark and other cm , gm . They did very well to let us have a better playing environment.


Sorry for bad English

[BlackDragonLord]

I totally agree to with you.

[TrustedMailbox]

Thank you u did well

[FeintsSiphon]

Clean pvp, clean price.

[Vossel]

lets call it clean pvp if anykind of magic dmg is totally broken compared to physic damage in PvP,because of the huge difference in defences.

Sure caps were needed but balanced ones. back then every class had something that made it strong in it own way, nowadays only 3 maybe 4 out of 10 classes dominate the entire PvP because the other classes no longer  can outperform them with their strong way. If there is a senti that manages to get some flags, why does a summoner or dragoon has to be able to catch up with him? This is just monotonous PvP we have right now, everyone at similar AS/MS just hp and dmg differences and those are huge.

even if Summoner have a 30% lower attackspeed cap than other classes, doesnt make them weak, together with invoker they have the shortest animation for their x attack, therefore the attackspeed scales insane. 30% less is not even some kind of balance in the AS cap either.

Caps at all were a good idea, but in my opinion they are horrible designed & implemented

[TurtleTuber]

ofc something like 700 ms is just stupid and caps were needed. But as mentioned many times people are looking, as Vossel said for balanced caps.

 

Also that 30% less atk speed for summoner and mage doesnt hurt / nerf them at all thanks to the fast x-attack option which represents more or less a x-spam macro.

 

I like the fact that there arent 700 ms speedrunner in BSQ anymore, that was completely broken, together with the Servertickrate as Popcorn mentioned. And compared to that the current caps are better in my opinion. But better doesnt mean they are good yet. I believe that if the staff is really trying, they can find a better, more fitting solution which offers more variety.

 

Its also broken that you need only element sockets to deal good damage. Its like you deal with a lv 1 weapon only 200 damage less than using an Elga weap, that also needs a rework in my opinion.

 

That a level 40 char is able to reach the same MS as a lv 85 agile class is no balance and doesnt make sense.

 

That all needs to be discussed, out of many perspecives to find a middle way, without closing topics. If at the end theres no solution which offers a better way of a cap, then okay. But not trying to listen to the community to find a better solution is also the wrong way to go. And to stop trying that just because someone threats to quit his job is wrong.

 

 

 

EDIT: Also the official DS class description clearly says that some classes are faster than others. Example for this is the nInja Path. Lightning quick speed. More like as fast as a Draggon with a heavy armor, sword and shield. The current caps doesnt fi the statements DS made about their classes. They lied themselfes.

 

 

 

Edited by TurtleTuber, 30 May 2017 - 02:33 AM.

[Popcorn]

I didn't want to discuss anymore with you but at this point I need to:

 

first of all I didn't quit my job and also I didn't say that anywhere.

second, I think you are not willing to get it: 400 MS is the absolute limit. 

 

If you now start talking about original DS ... we can cap it at the amount where the ORIGINAL DS wanted to have it at max: 200 AS, 300 MS including Aim and Evade as it was - also in PVP.

 

TurtleTuber, I am fed up that you're not willing to understand that easy fact.

 

[TurtleTuber]

You mentioned often enough that you are willing to quit your job in threads where people complained about something.

[BlackDragonLord]

You mentioned often enough that you are willing to quit your job in threads where people complained about something.

 

This looks like as if you want him to quit. Trust me, not a good idea.

[5143121023173906760]

I think that temporaly banning or deleting post(er)s that were so annoying instead of locking every threads that mention caps would've been better.

Preventing anyone from giving his opinion, even if a lot of people were basicly just ranting can only lead to more rant. It gave to Popcorn more work while if he would've just ignored them people that does not visit the forums very often notice that this has already been discussed and that they could still give theit two cents, even though nothing will change.
At least, they would have expressed their mind and wouldn't create yet another topic.

[TurtleTuber]

I never said that. I just said that his statement is false and that he tends to thread quitting his job, in cases where the community doesnt share the same opinion as him. Also i didnt expect that he will post here now since i thought he will only reply in bug/ technical issue threads.

Edited by TurtleTuber, 30 May 2017 - 02:43 AM.

[Fliederduft78]

The ms and as cap is they can do for us because last time we are complaint that lots of the people with high ms running around bsq and PvP, the popcorn and his team is come out with cap make our PvP or bsq not longer have any runner . So pls don't complaint anymore. They had did everything for us . To let us have a better gameplay . If u keep too much ms item that is mean it's your time to lost your profit . We all want clean pvp not ms pvp so don't complain anymore . For now and for all its good enough thank to popcorn and the team and dragonaslark and other cm , gm . They did very well to let us have a better playing environment.


Sorry for bad English

 

 

I totally agree to with you.

 

100% agreed. I couldn't say it any better. Thank you very much for this statement.
It clearly shows that some people do care and are able (willing to) understand.

 

 

 

Turtle, please stop it.  Enough is enough.  Really.....

The caps are carved in stone and based on a game limitation. There is nothing that can be done.

Aber vielleicht willst du es ja auch einfach nicht verstehen....wer weiß...... (maybe you just are not willing to understand it, who knows....)

Tomorrow is the day for Arcadia part 2.

Do you already know all facts regarding this update? Or what things get changed, adjusted with it?

 

I think you don't yet.

 

Maybe the best option would be to wait and see before assuming things.


One last time, I trust Poppie. He is not perfect, but he is the best option (dev) we have - he is the only one willing to deal with this game and all the problems the code, the tools, the bugs........and and and.

 

Calm down, it is neither worth it nor do you achieve anything with your current behavior.

[Popcorn]

You mentioned often enough that you are willing to quit your job in threads where people complained about something.

 

I think ignoring you in the future is the best way to go. For me it looks like your only intent is to start trouble over and over again. Especially trying to make me salty to show the people : "look how he's behaving". Also it looks like you think you have just to snip with your fingers and you get what you want. But it is sadly not possible for everyone to get what they want. I wanted soft caps. Did I get them? No. Do I have to get used to it? Yes. Do you get what you want? No. Do you have to get used to it? Your choice, but stop agitating the community with the same stuff over and over again. And by the way, since I am only the developer and don't need to deal with you  I am finally done with you.

[TurtleTuber]

Its just that some behaviour like calling the community which tries to offer solutions a kindergarten is kind of insulting.

Just because someone decided for hardcaps it doesnt mean that it needs to stay like this for 8 years if there can be found a better solution. But you guys dont even offer space for other solutions or new ideas, that is the problem and at this point i dont know why you dont get this and i am almost fed up. But since i want to make this game better i keep looking for new ideas to do so.

[Fliederduft78]

Maybe this game is just not meant for you any longer.........and you should try one of the other games Warpportal has to offer?

 

 

Once again, please stop. You are doing something that could be called "agitating the community" and this behavior is something not liked and not wanted on many forums -including this one. Sometimes to stop this kind of behavior the only solution is to lock a specific topic. This is done not only on here, but on many other big company game forums. It is a normal behavior.  No this doesn't mean you have to like that fact. You just have to live with it.

 

I'm sorry but I'm brutally honest now, it seems the caps are carved in stone and with whatever ideas you might come up they won't be willing to listen. Especially not if a person is behaving badly or showing the attitude you currently show towards all the staff members and other forum members.

 

 

And now please calm down. It is not worth it.

If you are really working on ideas and want that a slight chance remains anyone ever reads them, please stop. Behave respectful and calm down. It is really not worth it.

[VioletCat]

Not sure if this is the right topic to keep discussing, but I'll comment posts from here so I hope that's fine.

 

Of course we don't know what's going to be adjusted in the update yet. I just wanted to say that I understand that the limit for the MS cap is 400 but what I think some people are trying to say is that some classes being faster than others would still be a good thing. The limit for a level 85 archer for example can be 400, but does it have to be the same for a level 40 mage? Well, making the cap even lower for some would make MS stat even less useful, so the stat itself might need extra adjustments... I'm not saying that's something that has to be changed right away, just adding my thoughts in case that can be of any help in the future.

 

Its also broken that you need only element sockets to deal good damage. Its like you deal with a lv 1 weapon only 200 damage less than using an Elga weap, that also needs a rework in my opinion.

 

 

The thing about elements being the main source of damage in PvP has been mentioned before. I'd prefer it if elements were more of an addition to damage instead, but well, that's not up to me to decide and it'd need a lot of work put into it if it had to be changed.

 

Regarding what this topic is actually about... I'm not sure how many times the cap has been discussed yet, probably many so it seems pointless to some to keep discussing. But I don't see the problem with people stating their opinion about it. It could have been kept between players if Popcorn had already said what he had to say. And I really hope his stepping away from the forums isn't because of a single forum topic >_< But of course, it's his own decision and in case he's reading this, thank you for not giving up on Dragon Saga!

 

Sorry if my post is off topic, I just never really stated my opinion about those things before and didn't know where else I could do it.

[theprofme]

For all you of you also for "Popcorn" I have only one thing left to say:


IF YOU WERE AS GOOD(SMART) AS YOU PRETEND TO BE, YOU WOULD HAVE ADAPTED AND EVOLVED...

 

 

P.S. RESPECT THE DEVELOPERS! THEY DEVELOP WHAT YOU TRY TO RUIN/BUG/HACK/EXPLOIT/CRY OUT!
As for me..I'm just trying to enjoy it! Join me or join the Resistance!

[TurtleTuber]

Well said Vossel

[Popcorn]

First of all - calling out people in public is forbidden. You should know that in the meanwhile. 

Second - if it would be my decision the real caps would have been put in place - because it's better for the game's technical side. But it is NOT my decision - same for the decision to put hard caps in which I personally never wanted.

Third - please stop false assumptions about any guilds. I am not in any guild besides of Gravity GM.

 

And fourth: I am not here to read your constant bashing on me if it comes to things you want to have and don't get. 

 

And stop making false assumptions about people. This is against the forum rules.

 

And last but not least I am ashamed to be from Germany because the most of you guys bashing on me are from Germany. Shame on you.

 

 

[Vossel]

i never said anything about you being in any guild.

You always try to turn things the way they are not said and meant

 

 

EDIT: why do you keep coming in this topic and commenting if you already made a post that you wont deal with things like this anymore?

Just leave it to Dragonlark.

This is similar to the chat we had about the caps not being implemented before a balance, you told me something but you couldnt keep it. Besides you didnt even excused once for it. At least be honest if you make a mistake and excuse for it, because everyone of us does mistakes, this would make you much more sympathetic.

Edited by Vossel, 30 May 2017 - 06:11 AM.

[Dragonlark]

This thread has gone completely off topic and I will be cleaning it up and locking it at this time. If you have inquiries regarding this matter please send me a PM and I will be happy to clarify further.