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#1 RogerKhan

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Posted 23 June 2017 - 07:33 AM

 I can confidently say that about more than 70% of people (possibly 90%) sell overprice item.  I don't mind about people selling overprice stuff but the problem is how the ... am suppose truly know how much that item cost?!! People kept throwing around random numbers. For example, some sell cylinder for 3.5b then you got another person selling it for 2.2b then rarely you see some 2b or lower. I'm a buyer ,and I feel like I have earn the right to know how much that item cost in the market especially when the item is not cheap. Do people really buy it for 2B or is it slightly overprice? It's so frustrating when you want to buy that expensive item and you don't even know how much it truly cost in the market.


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Posted 23 June 2017 - 07:50 AM

2b is even kinda cheap for the avaiability vs power of the item.
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Posted 23 June 2017 - 07:55 AM

2b is cheap. It's best in slot item that will change how you play a gene. No more CC cast time
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Posted 23 June 2017 - 07:57 AM

> +300% cart cannon actual damage boost (the item description says 60% in jRO, but the applied item script tells different :P)

> Enabling no cast on cart cannon

> Wearable since lvl 90 :heh:

 

 


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Posted 23 June 2017 - 07:59 AM

Ofher thing to note

> Has a slot
> Reduces SP cost by 30

The sp cost may not seem like a big deal, but you will rarely run out of SP even with something like a GTB on

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Posted 23 June 2017 - 08:00 AM

I see few people selling for 2.3b


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Posted 23 June 2017 - 08:03 AM

The price 2.5b is about fair, and at +7 it can easily be 3b. Of course, if you are lucky you can buy for cheaper price. Not long ago someone sold a +7 Cylinder on Ragi.al for 1b, and it was gone after like less than a minute...

 

http://ragi.al/item/iRO-Renewal/tUoH


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Posted 23 June 2017 - 08:12 AM

It kills Bio 5 Old Midas Whisper Cart Cannon value before its release actually :heh:

 


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Posted 23 June 2017 - 08:14 AM

Is it about the same value as mob scarf?


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Posted 23 June 2017 - 08:19 AM

300m+ more on to scarf. Scarf is 2b.


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Posted 23 June 2017 - 08:21 AM

They will be about equal once ocp is out
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Posted 23 June 2017 - 08:24 AM

It kills Bio 5 Old Midas Whisper Cart Cannon value before its release actually :heh:

 

:heh:  OCP TOO OP  :heh:


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Posted 23 June 2017 - 08:29 AM

> +300% cart cannon actual damage boost (the item description says 60% in jRO, but the applied item script tells different :P)

> Enabling no cast on cart cannon

> Wearable since lvl 90 :heh:

 

From what I have understood, the jRO version adds a flat 60% damage boost, applied to the entire formula. While our 300% boost is inside one of the terms, meaning that how much damage it boosts is entirely dependent on your Int, because as Int rises, the overall damage boost from Cylinder goes down.


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Posted 23 June 2017 - 08:42 AM

I bought it 1.8B 3 days ago, but he was kind of rush selling.  Probably 2.2B is the price right now with the box being available. 


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Posted 23 June 2017 - 08:54 AM

Ofher thing to note

> Has a slot
> Reduces SP cost by 30

The sp cost may not seem like a big deal, but you will rarely run out of SP even with something like a GTB on

 

The SP cost is HUGE on lower levels. It makes little difference after... maybe 150 or something, but for leveling is a ridiculously great boost.

 

The price 2.5b is about fair, and at +7 it can easily be 3b. Of course, if you are lucky you can buy for cheaper price. Not long ago someone sold a +7 Cylinder on Ragi.al for 1b, and it was gone after like less than a minute...

 

http://ragi.al/item/iRO-Renewal/tUoH

 

I agree that 2.5B is about fair, but I'd never pay a 500 M premium for a +7 item. A Safe to 7 headgear is ~6M, you will likely never use 83 safes to +7 an item, even if Ash seriously hates you. If someone offers you 3B for a +7, just offer back 2.6B or something and wait. There are still many Cylinders selling out there, if this guy says no, someone else will accept.


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Posted 23 June 2017 - 01:58 PM

From what I have understood, the jRO version adds a flat 60% damage boost, applied to the entire formula. While our 300% boost is inside one of the terms, meaning that how much damage it boosts is entirely dependent on your Int, because as Int rises, the overall damage boost from Cylinder goes down.

 

jRO version adds about 60% for skill damage boost, which translates to about 10% increase in dmg.

 

Ours is 600% skill dmg boost (100%+200%+300%) which translates about 58-62% depending on the stats, gears and other things considered.

 

The price I've seen so far is 2b-2.7b. Its a steal to get it at 1.7-2b, while anything above that depends on how desperate both parties are to buy/sell.


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Posted 23 June 2017 - 03:45 PM

jRO version adds about 60% for skill damage boost, which translates to about 10% increase in dmg.

 

Ours is 600% skill dmg boost (100%+200%+300%) which translates about 58-62% depending on the stats, gears and other things considered.

 

The price I've seen so far is 2b-2.7b. Its a steal to get it at 1.7-2b, while anything above that depends on how desperate both parties are to buy/sell.

 

The damage boost range is much larger than that, as you can see from this graph:

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So depending on your int, it can be almost 300% at 1 int to only around 38% at 200 int.


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Posted 23 June 2017 - 04:06 PM

jRO is a multiplier, like every skill damage increase gear. Then something happened when kRO ported it to their code and it acts as an additive now, for whatever reason.

And yes, comparatively, the more int you have, lesser is the relative increase in damage.

If you want to simplify, the hats adds equivalent of 100 int worth of damage bonus.
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Posted 23 June 2017 - 06:10 PM

It is not hard to make +7.headgear cert cost 5m.why suddenly +7 become 3b?
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Posted 24 June 2017 - 10:10 AM

does any one know the difference between cylinder and bio5 gene hat on CC damage?

they looks simiar but I can not tell their difference at max performance


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Posted 24 June 2017 - 12:21 PM

Dmg wise, a perfect enchanted +14 Old Midas should be almost 2x better than Cylinder. On the flip side, bio5 hg has a terrible lvl requirement of 170, It's account bound, crafting is PIA, getting good enchants is also hard, and it doesn't give you 100% variable reduction. You don't have any of these problems with Cylinder and it's cash shop. If you are like me, too busy irl or lazy to make even a 16.1 robe for yourself and you are not very excited about the amount of work needed to get a bio5 hat, then I guess cylinder already does a wonderful job. Otherwise old midas is superior but you need to be greedy :x
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Posted 24 June 2017 - 12:50 PM

Old Midas is definitely superior, but you will need high INT/DEX build for instant cast via status. 


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Posted 24 June 2017 - 01:06 PM

:heh:  OCP TOO OP  :heh:

 

That means they have nothing to look forward to. I'm very excited to get that damn RG headgear for my Cannon spear. I wanna know if I'll die from Inspiration reflect or not lol

 


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Posted 24 June 2017 - 01:42 PM

does any one know the difference between cylinder and bio5 gene hat on CC damage?

they looks simiar but I can not tell their difference at max performance

 

 

Dmg wise, a perfect enchanted +14 Old Midas should be almost 2x better than Cylinder. On the flip side, bio5 hg has a terrible lvl requirement of 170, It's account bound, crafting is PIA, getting good enchants is also hard, and it doesn't give you 100% variable reduction. You don't have any of these problems with Cylinder and it's cash shop. If you are like me, too busy irl or lazy to make even a 16.1 robe for yourself and you are not very excited about the amount of work needed to get a bio5 hat, then I guess cylinder already does a wonderful job. Otherwise old midas is superior but you need to be greedy :x

 

 

Old Midas is definitely superior, but you will need high INT/DEX build for instant cast via status. 

 

 

Just a nutshell comparison, with +20 Old Midas Whisper you only achieve 150% Cart Cannon Boost (15% Cart Cannon Boost every 2 refines), while Cylinder Hairband that we have here already granted 300% boost at +7 :heh:

 

[Omitted Old Midas Whisper Maximum +80 Atk bonus from +20 refines, 10% ranged damage bonus at +20 refines, 10% Max HP&SP Boost at 20 refines and the bonus from enchants]


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Posted 24 June 2017 - 02:29 PM

Just a nutshell comparison, with +20 Old Midas Whisper you only achieve 150% Cart Cannon Boost (15% Cart Cannon Boost every 2 refines), while Cylinder Hairband that we have here already granted 300% boost at +7 :heh:

 

[Omitted Old Midas Whisper Maximum +80 Atk bonus from +20 refines, 10% ranged damage bonus at +20 refines, 10% Max HP&SP Boost at 20 refines and the bonus from enchants]

 

+7 Cylinder Increases the skill damage bonus of CC by 600%, which is not the same as 600% dmg increase. It's 60% increase avg in this case.

 

https://forums.warpp...te-2/?p=2577568

 

I'm not really into formulas, but I believe +20 Old Midas 150% dmg increase is far superior to 600% skill bonus (or 60% dmg increase) from cylinder.

 

Also not considering the other bonuses.


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