30 replies to this topic

[asperatus]

Since we can only wear one, it basically means that vicious staff/rod = RIP because only one card slot... The difference between vicious and crimson is lost because it would require one to wear OMBH instead of celine or sth like that 

 

As a sorc I'm so disappointed

[Kusanagisama]

Not really. Godly VMs are still godly.

[LordYggdrasill]

Not really. Godly VMs are still godly.

 

Yeah, now Vicious Mind Rod with MDEF Bypass will be more favorable. For Warlocks it is possible to guarantee 100% MDEF piercing when combined with OBMH and Magicians Gloves, while for Sorcerers you cant get 100% but it is still the more the better.
 

[Kusanagisama]

Still better to use the slot for the MDEF Bypass (on rods) and get a >10% against some race charm.

[asperatus]

The problem is that with vicious rod it'd require getting more than one since their mdef bypass is restricted to one race. I don't think there are many who can afford several +12 (at the very least) vicious weapons especially that good (25+% mdef bypass, probably int 10) weapons cost a lot by themselves

 

Edited by asperatus, 14 July 2017 - 12:05 AM.

[Gabrielr04]

If the cheap way is what you want best you could get is a Crimson Rod with NP/NCT cards, by now i suppose many of us already have at least one of those lying around either in inventory or storage~

[Kusanagisama]

Spellcasters have always needed specialized gears, and it's always been the reason for them being expensive as hell so, that's nothing new.

[alerit]

excuse me, what mean OBMH ?

[LordYggdrasill]

OBMH = Ordinary Black Magician Hat, it is the best hat for warlocks.

[Kusanagisama]

OBMH = Ordinary Black Magician Hat, it is the best hat for warlocks.

 

Now only for Crimson Rock. For all other uses, Celine's Ribbon has just became the superior choice. Or Zaha Doll. Zaha Doll is very good against MVPs.

[Ashuckel]

rwc pin

[Kusanagisama]

rwc pin

 

I always forget that this thing exists...

 

What is it's correct effect, so that I can simulate which one is better for Warlock?

[Ashuckel]

havent bothered to check other upgrades, but +12 is 14% atk and matk.

[Kusanagisama]

havent bothered to check other upgrades, but +12 is 14% atk and matk.

 

According to this, should be 13%, but I'll make the calculations with your version.

 

EDIT:
1) You're right, it's the best consistent upper headgear for Warlocks.
2) In this scenario, +14 SoD > +12 VM Rod up to ~30 MDEF. RIP SoD.

3) +15 Crimson > +12 VM Rod by 2.5%, so any MATK +3% Charm should make it "kinda even". Obviously, +13 VM Rod with any charms will be better.

Edited by Kusanagisama, 14 July 2017 - 10:41 AM.

[Ashuckel]

calculations were done already :v (atk part by me when setting up the ranger calc, matk part by nirvanna, when setting the doram calc)

[Jungyeon]

According to this, should be 13%, but I'll make the calculations with your version.
 
EDIT:
1) You're right, it's the best consistent upper headgear for Warlocks.
2) In this scenario, +14 SoD > +12 VM Rod up to ~30 MDEF. RIP SoD.
3) +15 Crimson > +12 VM Rod by 2.5%, so any MATK +3% Charm should make it "kinda even". Obviously, +13 VM Rod with any charms will be better.

So it means that I can  get a +12 RWC pin instead of OBMH?

[Kusanagisama]

Yes, except for Red Lichtern. They need high refine, though. Pref > +9.

Edited by Kusanagisama, 14 July 2017 - 04:46 PM.

[Ashuckel]

maybe this is a good time to sell all the rwc pins that i've made over the years :v

[Kusanagisama]

LOL. Go ahead.

[Gabrielr04]

Welp, time to save money for rwc pin xD, or should stick to +13 Zaha?

[Darkshneider]

Id stick to the zaha.Myself ill save to buy a +12 obmh from someone

[Mulder1]

I was under the impression that regular mob monsters don't have high MDEF.

 

I was thinking on going:

 

Mobs: 

 

+13 Pin, +14 SoD, Magician's glove

 

MvPs:

 

+14 OBMH, +14 SoD, Magician's glove and maybe use vesper if needed but may be too lazy to switch.

[Ashuckel]

some monsters have, anx it doesnt have to be a big mdef number to be a big reduction

100 mdef = 45% dmg reduction
50 mdef = 30% dmg reduction
etc

[LordYggdrasill]

I was under the impression that regular mob monsters don't have high MDEF.

 

I was thinking on going:

 

Mobs: 

 

+13 Pin, +14 SoD, Magician's glove

 

MvPs:

 

+14 OBMH, +14 SoD, Magician's glove and maybe use vesper if needed but may be too lazy to switch.

 

According to Kusanagisama's calculation, even at +14 SOD is not a favorable choice  for warlocks, but of course you can give it a try and prove otherwise, should be interesting to see.

[PervySageMarty]

Yeah kusa it would be +14% as the pin has an inherent 1%atk/matk already without upgrades or anything.