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#1 9180140215143529563

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Posted 14 July 2017 - 10:16 AM

I dislike how they take one of the main benifits of a thief, the double attack, and give it to everyone with a hat. If wearing the snake hat gave theives a 75% or greater chance to hit, that might make me feel a little better, but this hat absolutly takes away from this class. 25% chance for a swordy to double attack is HUGE. Boosting an already powerful class. 25% for merchants is insanly good for a class, especially when they are specing dex/luk for crafting. Why not give theives a hat that casts lv5 blessing, or agi constantly? Auto lv5 bash with no sp cost at a 25% chance? make Thief figure give lv 5 sword mastery for just thieves, in addition to the aspd buff (which the 3% is not much of a boost)

PLUS it has a card slot! Give thief figure a card slot!

Why make a theif when you can make a swordy with more hp/def that also gets a 25% double attack + sword quicken + sword mastery +hp recovery, endure, faster movement speed etc? 

I want to not spend 5 spec points for double damage, that sounds amazing. Especially when the hat is pretty much free. 

Hopefully that hats power is taken away in a future patch to rebalance things. 

Thief figure sucks in comparison.


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Posted 14 July 2017 - 10:21 AM

Have you tried double attack Katars? The damage is bonkers since Assassins get lv 10 double attack instead of 5 from the hat (if the skill is leveled to 10). Assassins benefit the MOST from the snake hat.


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Posted 14 July 2017 - 10:27 AM

Have you tried double attack Katars? The damage is bonkers since Assassins get lv 10 double attack instead of 5 from the hat. Assassins benefit the MOST from the snake hat.

 

Is this right? I mean, at least it is not written in the item descriptions.

 

I personally prefer a Sidewinder Card. I do use one with my assassin


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Posted 14 July 2017 - 10:49 AM

Is this right? I mean, at least it is not written in the item descriptions.

 

I personally prefer a Sidewinder Card. I do use one with my assassin

 

sidewinder card is 100% worse unless new overpowered headgears are released.


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Posted 14 July 2017 - 10:51 AM

The problem is that these Silvervine quest items are ridiculously OP compared to how easy they are to get. Snake Hat in pre-renewal was 3000 snake scales plus a sidewinder card. Now it's 200 scales and 2 dollars, gg.


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Posted 14 July 2017 - 11:04 AM

sidewinder card is 100% worse unless new overpowered headgears are released.


Nope, 'cause if you have Double Attack at level 10 (thief), the Sidewinder card provides Double Attack level 10 with any weapon.

Snake Hat just provides level 5 Double Attack, if the item description is correct
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Posted 14 July 2017 - 11:08 AM

Nope, 'cause if you have Double Attack at level 10 (thief), the Sidewinder card provides Double Attack level 10 with any weapon.

Snake Hat just provides level 5 Double Attack, if the item description is correct

 

they both work the same, snake hat gives you lvl 10 if you have the skill lvl 10


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Posted 14 July 2017 - 11:20 AM

they both work the same, snake hat gives you lvl 10 if you have the skill lvl 10


Well, as I'm not sure about this I'll continue with the sidewinder card (or with the chick hat, if it's released). My level 80 assassin is leveling quite easy with the card :)
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Posted 14 July 2017 - 12:39 PM

Nope, 'cause if you have Double Attack at level 10 (thief), the Sidewinder card provides Double Attack level 10 with any weapon.

Snake Hat just provides level 5 Double Attack, if the item description is correct

 

It's worse in the sense that you're wasting a weapon card slot instead of just wearing the headgear that also has a free slot.

 

Don't trust tooltips in this game.


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Posted 14 July 2017 - 12:41 PM

Well, as I'm not sure about this I'll continue with the sidewinder card (or with the chick hat, if it's released). My level 80 assassin is leveling quite easy with the card :)

 

I'm using snake hat with katars, it gives level 10. Much rather have the weapon slot for % etc


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Posted 14 July 2017 - 12:57 PM

any gear that enables Double Attack, at any lvl it is enabled, for Thieves, it will always triggger at the user learnt lvl.


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Posted 14 July 2017 - 01:20 PM

I dont get it why the complain? everyone can have heal, agi, bless, cure, ress and so many skill from Aco / Priest and no one say anything. meh, anyway...


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Posted 14 July 2017 - 01:33 PM

Snake head gives 5 double attack or higher if you have it ranked higher.

I know it doesn't say it, but that's what it does, it's fairly well known.


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Posted 14 July 2017 - 01:40 PM

Well, as I'm not sure about this I'll continue with the sidewinder card (or with the chick hat, if it's released). My level 80 assassin is leveling quite easy with the card :)

That's literally how it works every time a card/gear enables a skill.

That's how it has always worked.


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Posted 14 July 2017 - 03:34 PM

Have you tried double attack Katars? The damage is bonkers since Assassins get lv 10 double attack instead of 5 from the hat (if the skill is leveled to 10). Assassins benefit the MOST from the snake hat.


Its awesome since it also does 3 hits per dpuble attack. I wonder if left and right hand mastery boosts this?

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Posted 14 July 2017 - 03:50 PM

hand masteries affect only dual wielding, they have absolute no effect for katars.

btw, you only do 2 hits per DA proc, the "3rd" hit is just your left hand, that already is always there with or without the DA proc, for whatever reason it is shown in the yellow bundle :v

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Posted 14 July 2017 - 03:51 PM

The double attack portion copies the main hand hit which does full damage.

Well, if you're using dual daggers and don't have right hand mastery leveled the double attack portion will be lower, but so will the regular hit.

And really, who uses dual weapons without at least ranking right hand mastery?


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Posted 20 July 2017 - 12:58 AM

Nope, 'cause if you have Double Attack at level 10 (thief), the Sidewinder card provides Double Attack level 10 with any weapon.

Snake Hat just provides level 5 Double Attack, if the item description is correct

 

 

Can't always trust server descriptions. Look the item up onrenewal.playragnarok.com, both the pre-renewal and renewal descriptions say it will use the user's skill level if it's higher than 5. I can also confirm it works on this server since my Bow Thief is definitely experiencing a 50% double attack chance. And no way am I just "lucky" because she's job 50 and has been bow build since level 1.


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Posted 01 August 2017 - 05:40 PM

Here's a question... If you are not a thief class and have a snake hat and sidewinder card how does that work?  Sidewider card stays level one or jumps to level 5?  

 

Also, if you are a thief class and have a sidewider/snake/skill.  I'm guessing that compounds also? 

 


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Posted 02 August 2017 - 08:14 AM

Creamy cards, Fly wings, and butterfly wings. I hate it when they take a feature from acolyte and make it available to everyone without making them work better for my aco.


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Posted 02 August 2017 - 08:41 AM

Here's a question... If you are not a thief class and have a snake hat and sidewinder card how does that work?  Sidewider card stays level one or jumps to level 5?  

 

Also, if you are a thief class and have a sidewider/snake/skill.  I'm guessing that compounds also? 

 

If you know double attack level 10, snake head, chick hat, and sidewinder all let you use level 10 with any weapon. So you could do a double axe sin and still get lvl 10 double attack. Don't recommend that though because you aspd would be tanked.


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