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[PervySageMarty]

With Fuuton's lovely testing in the Acolyte threads on showing the healing capabilites of the Archbishop Ring, I can now confirm that the 15% increase to healing skills towards other people is indeed working now.

 

I would like to take the opportunity to thank Fuuton on his sudden testing which has alarmed me to this.

 

I wish to take back all that I have said about the sheer uselessness of this ring and now reinstate that this ring can be worthy of being a BiS couple ring with all other ring combinations.

 

Testing the Ring on raw heals before testing a raw heal using one of my White Lady mid headgears shows to me that the same rules to this 15% increase applies similar to with White Lady cards, effect is applied before other heal bonuses apply but are added at the end of the calculation.

 

I would also like to confirm to other Bris users on their AB's that this ring outcompetes the Bris.

Edited by PervySageMarty, 15 July 2017 - 07:52 PM.

[yamasakai90]

Must be a ninja patch. At least it works for healing others now.

[PervySageMarty]

Must be a ninja patch. At least it works for healing others now.

 

Maybe it is, but I feel responsible to not continually testing this day in and out until its fixed, and now i have caused the undermining of this fabulous piece of gear which is worthy of being BiS ring to couple with other mora rings.
 

[mashaa]

Is it worth to buy AB riings for 80m, if the equips are low-mid end ?
I mean, is the effect worth? (just +5% user healing, +15% recovery and healing items?)

[PervySageMarty]

Is it worth to buy AB riings for 80m, if the equips are low-mid end ?
I mean, is the effect worth? (just +5% user healing, +15% recovery and healing items?)

It is indeed worth every penny for these rings, and the healing is not 5% but 15%, which is half a White Lady card (30%) and having two of these lovely rings on is basically wearing a White Lady in your accessories slots.

[JadeMountain]

does regular AB ring with double cath, arch, arb work better with set bouns?

[yamasakai90]

does regular AB ring with double cath, arch, arb work better with set bouns?

It depends what are you looking for. If you want just a huge heal, then 2AB rings.

If you want the set effects then go for a combination. Instacast, reduce in cd etc.

You can activate archbishop 1 and 2 without using the mora rings as they are available in costume, aaw and weapon enchant slot currently.

[Fuuton]

you do me too much kindness Marty, but i appreciate the love for sure hahah. i didnt know it would make so much of a difference so now im glad i did! and i will back up your claim a bit further gg.

-for anyone needing how-to-use clarification, the arch bishop ring is not enchantable. the enchants you see listed in the description come from the enchants of other gear. we were discussing over in the AB thread that this is the first gear that utilizes only the enchants of other gears and not the effects of those other gears themselves. cure level 1 comes from the Light of Cure accessory, which is enchanted over in mora. i think you get the cathedral enchant from there too, as well as that particular c.heal related mora ring. archbishop level 1 comes from the malangdo enchant stones, so you would need to successfully enchant or buy a costume with that stone. that's on the left side of malangdo in that 2nd to last southern house. and i havent tested this myself but apparently heal 3 comes from normal AA wings. from what i understand, it must be a level 3. lvl 5 wont work? but those enchants come from the valk inside the house to the right of where you enchant weapons. no ores required, just zeny and there's a chance they can break.

-for anyone needing price clarification, this ring is insanely cheap for what it can do. the fact that we're talking about it in a better fashion is obviously going to increase its value alone because we're giving it hype. im insanely surprised to see this ring not pushing the upper tiers of near 1b.. but i think that it is due to all of the confusion surrounding the enchants and how they work.

-for anyone too lazy to go read the AB thread, here's the pic i posted as a test for max high heals. sadly i forgot to run the test where i un-equip the AB ring and show high heals without it but this is a max high heal test on self and on another both with and without offer.. and mine is only lvl 1.

[Fuuton]

took the time to make the other half people are really wondering about. same gear, same buff setup, but no arch bishop ring attached. that's the difference the ring ring gives lol. nuts.

[PervySageMarty]

Oh Fuuton, you truely are much too modest, you very well deserve the gratitude I have for you for doing the further research.

 

 

does regular AB ring with double cath, arch, arb work better with set bouns?

 

The AB ring combo bonus only applies once, it will not apply it twice even if you have double Catholic1 or Cure1 enchants. Two AB rings also cannot share enchants, so having two AB rings on and having an archbishop1 enchant on a costume headgear will not give you 20 Pdodge (10 Pdodge from the AB rings themselves[each giving 5 pdodge] and 5 pdodge from one ring combo'ing with the archibishop1 enchant).

 

 

[JamesChin]

whats the best card to put on the archbishop ring [1] ? just wondering   

[JadeMountain]

nature of game, ppl chase offensive item more than defensive

[mashaa]

Oh my... The different is 10k heal xD
can it spam HH (or coluseo) like cure light do?

[Fuuton]

@mashaa

that difference is largely applied to the ygg crown's ability to self heal more than healing others. its really about 6-7k more (not including offer) and about 2-3k more high heal on other people, but still really nice. it also comes from stacking the arch bishop ring with all of the potential enchants. its possible to have 3/4 effects of the AB ring in play at one time.

you will always be able to spam high heal with a light of cure [curelvl1] accessory. always. having the [curelvl1] enchant from LoC is what stacks with the AB ring. using both, you get the spammable high heal and also an insta-cast high heal as well.

@JamesChin
i'm leaving mine blank for now. i dont think there's anything valid enough to use unless its MvP maybe? i need to recheck accessory cards in full. get back to you on this.

if you're full support AB, use a kafra blossom card. can't really get any better than that imo.

Edited by Fuuton, 17 July 2017 - 12:03 PM.

[elvenne]

Does it really work for healing others? It doesn't seem to work for me. Tried it, it does work for healing myself ~19k but only gives ~16k to others. I heal others for ~15.5 without the ring. I am not using Ygg crown. Why is the difference so big?

 

P.S.: Look at Fuuton's screenies: he heals others for 21k with the ring and for 19.5k without it. 15% should be 2.9k in this case but he only gets 1.5k. Am I missing something?

Edited by elvenne, 17 July 2017 - 09:55 PM.

[PervySageMarty]

Does it really work for healing others? It doesn't seem to work for me. Tried it, it does work for healing myself ~19k but only gives ~16k to others. I heal others for ~15.5 without the ring. I am not using Ygg crown. Why is the difference so big?

P.S.: Look at Fuuton's screenies: he heals others for 21k with the ring and for 19.5k without it. 15% should be 2.9k in this case but he only gets 1.5k. Am I missing something?

Your worries are understandable. As there is no real information on this in iRO wiki outside of my own tested theories;

The 15% percent works the same way as White Lady cards, I know because i equipped two of these rings to heal someone, then took them off and used a White Lady card midgear that has no other overall healing increments and still healed the same amount.

Normally, heal increase % on gears stack together additively with these: every 6 INT is 1% Bonus and Meditatio is 10%.

The difference with White Lady (30%) and these Archbishop Rings (15% each) is that they only take into account your RAW (heal amounts effected by the status matk and weapon matk) and does not stack at all with any other bonus or gear that increases heal at all, which is then simply added on at the end of the formula after all calculations are made. I would still need to test all this out but a rough idea on what the way it would work is like so:

RAW heal × heal bonuses%(ie. Gears, enchants like Heal3, glorious cure wand upgrade bonuses, meditatio, every 6 INT=1% heal bonus) + (RAW heal × whiteladycards/jrobishopringbonus%)

Similar to the buff Suffragium which is applied seperately from other cast time reduction from gears and magic strings or from pure stat cast reduction.

[elvenne]

I am not good at math, thank you for explaining Yet, I still do not understand why it heals myself for so much more than others when I am not using any self-heal increasing gears (the only+ healing gears I was wearing when testing were bishop hat + blush, recovery light, a mora ring with cure lv1 and +7 shadow healing weapon)

 

It gives me hardly any benefit on healing others (about 500). Not impressing... the -5% sp cost and set bonuses are nice though.

Edited by elvenne, 18 July 2017 - 12:43 AM.

[4853121207141913140]

probably because heal recieved+ is calculated after heal+

Edited by 4853121207141913140, 18 July 2017 - 01:34 AM.

[Ashuckel]

"Recovery rate of items" is basically self healing+ X%, affects healing from items and from spells.

[Fuuton]

if i remember correctly, i think it was either shuck or fuyu who broke down a formula for me that i didnt understand involving heal 5 aa wings. from what i understood about how it was explained, the extra % isn't stacked on to what you currently have total in terms of all the % gears, its stacked on to your original %. i forget the formula already that helped me to understand this concept though hehe.. but what you think you should be getting is actually twice as much in your mind than what it really is in reality. you're getting half (or less) of what you think you're receiving (the best way i can explain this without formulas).

[PervySageMarty]

I will go test this out later to see. I have never thought about that at all Fuuton.

[Ashuckel]

it always applied to base healing '-'

if it always multiplied the previous value heals of 20k+ would be common

[4853121207141913140]

sanctuary level 1 without any gear

 

heal to self - 100

heal to others - 100

 

sanctuary level 1 with only arch bishop ring

 

heal to self - 132  (+15% heal, +15% recieved heal)

heal to others - 115  (+15% heal)

 

132 - 115 = 17 which is roughly 15%(of 115)