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#1 vmenezes

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Posted 31 July 2017 - 06:13 PM

Do I need to say anything?

 

Am I the only one that thinks it should be removed?

 

 

Edit: Some infos copied and pasted from below

 

 

Well I personally think its TOO OP.

 

Any melee class can buy 100 silvervine (130k tops).

 

With 100 silvervine comes 16 boxes.

 

With 16 boxes comes 800 health potions and 320 mana potions.

 

Each health potion with some VIT heals about 1600 health.

 

That makes a knight mob 10 mobs that he cant solo 1 without the helps of potions and SPAM AOE skill.

 

With that, he farms 1M/h zenny and about 4M exp/hour at the right spot.

 

How do I know the numbers? My brother is playin as a knight and I see him leveling...

 

What does making that possible takes away from the game??

 

Well,

priests -> they heal / hard to solo = NOT NEEDED

wizards -> they can spam AoE / hard to solo / nerfed as hell = NOT NEEDED

 

I appreciate that there's no p2w items... but this box takes away entierly 2 classes from the game...

 

Forgot to say they weight NOTHING!

 

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#2 Reuduciel

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Posted 31 July 2017 - 06:17 PM

Why?
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#3 vmenezes

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Posted 31 July 2017 - 06:18 PM

Because it favors ALOT some classes and makes other useless?


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Posted 31 July 2017 - 06:19 PM

Its like having a buyable item that gives insta cast for wizards that costs 6 silvervine and comes 50 of them....

 

And maybe WoE supply is even better than that insta cast...


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#5 Signar

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Posted 31 July 2017 - 06:22 PM

Yeah you're totally the first person to suggest the removal of them. It's fine the way it is. The only change id like to see like mentioned in another thread is disabling them in castles. Other than that be thankful there aren't crazy p2w items on the cash shop.
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#6 vmenezes

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Posted 31 July 2017 - 06:28 PM

Well I personally think its TOO OP.

 

Any melee class can buy 100 silvervine (130k tops).

 

With 100 silvervine comes 16 boxes.

 

With 16 boxes comes 800 health potions and 320 mana potions.

 

Each health potion with some VIT heals about 1600 health.

 

That makes a knight mob 10 mobs that he cant solo 1 without the helps of potions and SPAM AOE skill.

 

With that, he farms 1M/h zenny and about 4M exp/hour at the right spot.

 

How do I know the numbers? My brother is playin as a knight and I see him leveling...

 

What does making that possible takes away from the game??

 

Well,

priests -> they heal / hard to solo = NOT NEEDED

wizards -> they can spam AoE / hard to solo / nerfed as hell = NOT NEEDED

 

I appreciate that there's no p2w items... but this box takes away entierly 2 classes from the game...

 


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Posted 31 July 2017 - 06:41 PM

It's easily the most broken thing in the shop. I don't know how anyone could think they're balanced. They're essentially infinite potions for a few $. Absolute BS. Completely negates health and SP management.

 

I can handle the other BS, weight limit increase, stupid mounts, skill resets...but the WoE supply box is beyond saving. It needs to be removed ASAP.


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#8 vmenezes

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Posted 31 July 2017 - 06:43 PM

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Posted 31 July 2017 - 06:44 PM

I don't mind. This eases the heavy classic grind a bit. While a lot of people miss classic grind, they don't miss going back and forth to refill potions.

 

Priests are still wanted due to buffs. And I don't have unlimited $ to keep wasting on cash shop potions either. Would be nice to have a healer around.


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Posted 31 July 2017 - 06:45 PM

would you rather them put in the witch pumpkin hat so you can just heal your self for 15% hp for 5z?

or would you rather spend 200k zeny on 100 normal whites?

hmmm? 

 

(Because it favors ALOT some classes and makes other useless?) are you a idiot sir? it does not make any class useless.

 

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#11 vmenezes

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Posted 31 July 2017 - 06:46 PM

I don't mind. This eases the heavy classic grind a bit. While a lot of people miss classic grind, they don't miss going back and forth to refill potions.

 

Priests are still wanted due to buffs. And I don't have unlimited $ to keep wasting on cash shop potions either. Would be nice to have a healer around.

 

BUT you can buy them with silvervine. You buy silvervine with zenny.

 

You can buy 800 health potions and 320 mana potions for about 130k ZENNY. Not $$


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Posted 31 July 2017 - 06:47 PM

would you rather them put in the witch pumpkin hat so you can just heal your self for 15% hp for 5z?

or would you rather spend 200k zeny on 100 normal whites?

hmmm? 

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I'd rather them find a party with proper healer and AoE dps to help with the harder maps. Increasing the exp of everyone and loot.


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Posted 31 July 2017 - 06:50 PM

Well I personally think its TOO OP.

Any melee class can buy 100 silvervine (130k tops).

With 100 silvervine comes 16 boxes.

With 16 boxes comes 800 health potions and 320 mana potions.

Each health potion with some VIT heals about 1600 health.

That makes a knight mob 10 mobs that he cant solo 1 without the helps of potions and SPAM AOE skill.

With that, he farms 1M/h zenny and about 4M exp/hour at the right spot.

How do I know the numbers? My brother is playin as a knight and I see him leveling...

What does making that possible takes away from the game??

Well,
priests -> they heal / hard to solo = NOT NEEDED
wizards -> they can spam AoE / hard to solo / nerfed as hell = NOT NEEDED

I appreciate that there's no p2w items... but this box takes away entierly 2 classes from the game...

You don't get buffs from the box so priests are still relevant. The usefulness of priest and wizard have nothing to do with woe boxes. I see wizards grinding in prison solo all the time by mobbing then SGing.
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#14 vmenezes

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Posted 31 July 2017 - 06:53 PM

You don't get buffs from the box so priests are still relevant. The usefulness of priest and wizard have nothing to do with woe boxes. I see wizards grinding in prison solo all the time by mobbing then SGing.

 

Yeah, but they are relevant! not needed...

 

Wizards grinding prison... ok... 1M exp/h MAX solo...

 

While 70 knights with 1 pasana can solo 10 mobs at once non-stop... getting more than 4M exp/h

 

Tottaly balanced...

 

A map that should be HARD and to profit be played in group can be soloed with a HUGE profit by some classes... that brakes the game!


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Posted 31 July 2017 - 06:54 PM

it's the only very unbalanced kafra shop item. they won't remove it tho


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#16 vmenezes

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Posted 31 July 2017 - 06:55 PM

Once the best leveling party is 12 knights all over the map killing everything one starts to wonder if something is broken... MAYBE?


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Posted 31 July 2017 - 07:00 PM

maybe let woe box be usable only on woe maps . like , you know , name suggests


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Posted 31 July 2017 - 07:02 PM

Because it favors ALOT some classes and makes other useless?

 

no and no

 

Yeah, but they are relevant! not needed...

 

Wizards grinding prison... ok... 1M exp/h MAX solo...

 

While 70 knights with 1 pasana can solo 10 mobs at once non-stop... getting more than 4M exp/h

 

Tottaly balanced...

 

A map that should be HARD and to profit be played in group can be soloed with a HUGE profit by some classes... that brakes the game!

 

congratz welcome to ragnarok knights have all ways done  this, i take it you have not played RO long now have you?

 

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#19 vmenezes

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Posted 31 July 2017 - 07:05 PM

no and no

 

 

congratz welcome to ragnarok knights have all ways done  this, i take it you have not played RO long now have you?

 

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Yeah I havent played. But even so, I can still come to the forum and complain about something that brakes the game.

 

 


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Posted 31 July 2017 - 07:06 PM

Once the best leveling party is 12 knights all over the map killing everything one starts to wonder if something is broken... MAYBE?

Or some classes are meant to be easier to train than others. Which has been common knowledge for awhile. Woe boxes just make it cheaper and faster. You can use them to level on any class. Leveling up the cheapest grinder class first has always been my go to for starting out on a new server. After I get enough zeny and equipment I start funding those other classes.

There will always be something to whine about when it comes to cash shops. Even on servers that do costume selling only.
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Posted 31 July 2017 - 07:07 PM

Yeah I havent played. But even so, I can still come to the forum and complain about something that brakes the game.

 

cry all you want, i have been here 15ish years and the most they will change it is like PinkWing said, and thats if we are really really lucky.

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#22 vmenezes

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Posted 31 July 2017 - 07:11 PM

Or some classes are meant to be easier to train than others. Which has been common knowledge for awhile. Woe boxes just make it cheaper and faster. You can use them to level on any class. Leveling up the cheapest grinder class first has always been my go to for starting out on a new server. After I get enough zeny and equipment I start funding those other classes.

There will always be something to whine about when it comes to cash shops. Even on servers that do costume selling only.

 

No doubt about having a easier to train class. The real problem is to have some classes that can solo places that was supposed to be played in party.

 

One thing is to SPEND money to level really fast, the other is to PROFIT ALOT from that, that brakes it.


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Posted 31 July 2017 - 07:11 PM

Just wait for bard to be released, maybe then they will remove WoE boxes from PvM purposes. Until then, don't expect them to go anywhere. WP won't remove them


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#24 vmenezes

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Posted 31 July 2017 - 07:13 PM

cry all you want, i have been here 15ish years and the most they will change it is like PinkWing said, and thats if we are really really lucky.

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If what PinkWing said happens, it'll already improve alot...

 

But if the community doesnt say anything, things will just stay the same...

 

At first I tought you disagree with me, you seemed against. If you are in favor of any changes, you shouldnt go against posts that tries to change things...

 

Dont you agree that removing WoE supply box for leveling would improve the game experience?


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Posted 31 July 2017 - 07:14 PM

This box is the only thing that worth buying. Keep it in. Most people are happy.


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