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#1 redspyder

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Posted 02 August 2017 - 05:02 AM

Hi all,

 

 

I was wondering which is one is better for SS Cards.

 

 

Thanks in advance!


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Posted 02 August 2017 - 05:07 AM

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Posted 02 August 2017 - 05:21 AM

Katar [2]

 

Do you mind explaining why? I'm just curious.


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Posted 02 August 2017 - 05:33 AM

Cause of renewal mechanics, the most important of a weapon is his basic attack now and what you can do with it.

 

Short way: Jur has 3 slots, but is only level 2 (refining system) and has 125 atk, 23 less Katar.

 

Katar has 147 atk, and are weapon lvl 3.

 

In the same refines, Katar > Jur, including how much more refined it is. About cards, avoid using raw attack cards, the % ones are better.

 

If you REALLY planning using just SS on slots, maybe Jamadhar is better than Katar on this case (same weapon level, but is 17 attack higher) so dmg output on this case will be better.

 

The katar [2] is better than Jamadhar JUST when you use the second slot with % dmg, in case that, for example 

+ x Katar + 2x 10% crit or 2x Elemental/Racial >+ x  Jamadhar 1x 10%crit or 1x Elemental/Racial.

 

But if are poor yet, a good general weapon will be +5 Jamadhar with any card on its slot.

 

Remember  what a I sad, Katar > Jamadhar just in case you can afford the two card slotts. 

 

 

Ps. If I'm not wrong, the Elemental Katars are inefective. 


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Posted 02 August 2017 - 05:39 AM

To be very quick about it:

Katar[2] has more damage, and the extra SS card is not needed.


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Posted 02 August 2017 - 05:42 AM

To be very quick about it:

Katar[2] has more damage, and the extra SS card is not needed.

Can you confirm me about elemental katars?


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Posted 02 August 2017 - 06:01 AM

they are not bad, just not the best when compared to Katar[2] for the lack of slots. Endows and weapon element on renewal doesnt apply to the status Attack and Mastery Attack, only Mild Wind can endow that portion.

But if you can put your hands on a Elemental Katar[3] that would be one of the best choices for that element.


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Posted 03 August 2017 - 02:22 AM

To be very quick about it:

Katar[2] has more damage, and the extra SS card is not needed.

So with renewal is possible to make a full crit build without the extra ss card? I mean, i'm aiming a pvp assassin, so i was planning to use 2ss and 1 hydra, but the last time i played RO was 7~8 years ago so i know nothing about this renewal mechanics. So here i ask: is it possible to get full crit and still have a good stamina/ str to pvp?


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Posted 03 August 2017 - 04:54 AM

yes, but the preferred weapon for pvp is Infiltrator.


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Posted 03 August 2017 - 05:19 AM

Then i must get myself up-to-date. I was using a calculator and with 2 kobold and 2 ss cards + 40~50 luck i'd get 80~86% crit chance. How's the full crit pvp build with renewal mechanics if may i ask?


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Posted 05 August 2017 - 04:51 AM

What would be the ideal all rounder card for the 2nd slot of the katar?

 

Currently have a +7 Critical Katar

 

So far I am thinking hydra OR mino OR skel worker.

 

Hydra

  • Raydric, HO and pasana leveling
  • Some PvP perks (not really a pro for me right now but might help when reselling)
  • More damage increase compared to Size damage cards (20% vs 15%)
  • Cheap 400 to 500k zeny
  • Restricted to demi humans

Minorous

  • Raydric, argiope and HO leveling
  • More flexible applies to all Large mobs
  • A bit more expensive ~700k zeny
  • Less damage 15% vs 20% of race cards

Skel Worker

  • Alarm and Pasana Levelling
  • More flexible applies to all Medium mobs
  • PvP 
  • Very expensive 1m zeny
  • Less damage 15% vs 20% of race cards

Soldier Skeleton

  • Crits everywhere (Sounds and looks nice)
  • Ultra expensive 2m zeny

Edited by kmax86, 05 August 2017 - 04:51 AM.

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#12 DFreak423

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Posted 05 August 2017 - 09:43 AM

Mobster, but good luck getting that one. Still +15% crit damage and +4 crit.


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Posted 05 August 2017 - 09:46 AM

Also, it the bonuses may seem small, but pets are really a great source of bonuses to fill gaps. Lunatic is easy to get the tame for, cheap to feed, and at loyal gives +2 Attack and +2 Crit.


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Posted 05 August 2017 - 10:11 AM

 


Skel Worker

  • Alarm and Pasana Levelling
  • More flexible applies to all Medium mobs
  • PvP 
  • Very expensive 1m zeny
  • Less damage 15% vs 20% of race cards

 

 

sw adds atk+5, beats all 20%


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Posted 05 August 2017 - 10:50 AM

the 5 atk from SW is not working on renewal based servers (coz kRO).

And no, it doesn't beats 20% cards.


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Posted 05 August 2017 - 12:33 PM

+15-20% from size or race cards only applies to weapon attack, where the +15-20% crit damage from mobster/the paper cards applies to all damage on a crit, making it better overall if your crit is high enough.


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Posted 05 August 2017 - 03:05 PM

the 5 atk from SW is not working on renewal based servers (coz kRO).

And no, it doesn't beats 20% cards.

 

better tell the iro wiki guide to fix his calc, etc!


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#18 kmax86

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Posted 06 August 2017 - 12:06 AM

I only listed the cards that are easy to get. No point in drooling over ultra rare cards.

 

It seems that there is a sudden spike in the prices of Hydra Cards now at 900k to 1m WTF?

 

Also Pets now have stat bonuses? Well that's new. Last time I played pets were just decorations you feed constantly without benefits.


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Posted 06 August 2017 - 01:13 AM

http://irowiki.org/w...Cute_Pet_System


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Posted 06 August 2017 - 07:27 AM

Hi, I was planning to use +10 Jur [3] with 2 SS and 1 paper card. But a friend told me a +7 Katar [2] with 2 SS cards would do more damage. I still think Jur would be better.


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Posted 06 August 2017 - 11:01 AM

it wouldnt


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Posted 06 August 2017 - 11:03 AM

I though so, thanks.


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Posted 07 August 2017 - 01:31 AM

Went with Critical Bloody Katar in the end. Found a cheap hydra card and decided to buy before WoE starts 


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