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[Kamona]

Hello ragnarok players !
I was wondering about doing a Monk.
I got an Acolyte job 50 just for that, but I don't really know what to do after.

I always loved the idea of Combo monk, however for all the time I played RO, it was said pretty hard to play.
Simply because Sleepers were the best xp spot thanks to Occult Impact, and that Gfist was prefered for mvp/etc.

However, would a Combo monk still work for xp/farm/... ?
It can get Gfist too, however my acolyte already have some agility (30str/63agi/30dex other points still not used) so it'll never be as effective as pure Gfist.

 

Do you have any tips ? Shall I still get Gfist and would it be usefull ? Shall I get more agi and go flee ?
I never played combo Monk before, and I am quite interested.

 

Thanks for reading and your attention !

Have a nice day and may you experience splendid new adventures.

Edited by Kamona, 22 August 2017 - 02:00 AM.

[Ignasia]

Full Combo monks can definitely fit in Occult Impaction.  I'd argue that skill is a must for all Monk builds but Asura, where you should pick between that and Sphere Throw as your normal leveling skill (and Sphere Throw is better in most situations with Renewal Mechanics for damage due to overall reduced physical defense to balance out substantially reduced normal attack damage at mid/high levels in 2nd and trans classes).

 

I'm actually making my Monk a combo monk, though I'm making my Champ, once Trans is released, an Asura / Spirit Champ, and prep it for a Knuckle Arrow Sura build (I rather prefer that skill).

 

 

A basic Combo Template:

http://irowiki.org/~...iangFborFbnqnak

 

Now with this you'll have 2 extra points as an Acolyte.  These can be either used for level 10 Agi Up, or level 7 Heal and 1 Warp Portal, or 2 Warp Portal, or 8 Heal, or even Agi Down and Signum Crucis, or 2 Signum Crucis.  It doesn't matter what you do, any usage of those two points will be beneficial in one way or another.

 

As a monk you'll have 13 extra points.  This can be used for a variety of options:

 

1) Root 3 (for Occult Impaction usage) + Spiritual Cadence 5 + Fury 5

2) Root 3 + Spiritual Cadence 5 + Mental Strength 5 (for party leveling as a tank...if you have 40+ VIT I recommend some Mental Strength, under 40, not that worthwhile)

3) Root 3 + Spiritual Cadence 2 + Mental Strength 5 + Fury 3

4) Root 3 + Spiritual Cadence 2 + Mental Strength 3 + Fury 5 (this might be the better route for overall auto-attack damage + MS, since 3 is a decent length and MS has the same defense boost regardless of level)

5) Root 3 + Mental Strength 5 + Fury 5 (not recommended, as Spiritual Cadence is exceedingly useful if you're running low on SP, but then with 33+ INT, that may not be a huge issue...it's far more useful as a Spirit Monk).

 

Other combinations work out well.

 

Something to note though.  The faster your Monk is, the harder it is to combo, due to downtimes between combo attacks shrinks a little.  It's not a huge deal for a combo Champ, given the downtime between Glacial and Chain Crush is fixed, but with Quadruple + Thrust, it's agi based.  I recommend either a total of 70 AGI and a cap of 80.  No higher than 80 total AGI, unless your ping is under 100.

[Kamona]

Thanks a lot for your advices ! It's very useful for me !

I think I might not take Spiritual cadence 5 since woe pots currently are quite easy to get and extremely useful.
320 blue pot for 200k is quite absurd and because monk has some strenght, it might be enough to carry them.

I might go Fury 5, which is kind of useful for me.
I did a little mistake as I only have demon bane 8 as an acolyte, since I maxed pneuma + agi up.
But I don't think it'll be too much of a burden (apart from the fact job levels are quite hard to get after 25).
 

Do you think Gfist isn't worth it because of the build not focused on maximizing the damages ?
And what about trifecta blow 10 or flee 10 ? Not worth it ?

Anyways, thanks a lot for your detailed answer ! :3

[Ignasia]

Gfist as a combo is only worthwhile if you're essentially making a Gfist, and wish to add in combo skills as a lead-in to gfist, but honestly it's not a great build.  It's not even a fun build.  It's more annoying because while you "bypass the cast-time" in Renewal mechanics, cast time is easy to get around, and even in a combo as far as I'm aware, it still triggers all of your SP being used, and cancels SP regen.  At least it did the last time I had it as part of my combo build.

 

Nevermind your assumption is right, the damage output for Gfist in a combo build is just devastated.  Sure you can combo with low AGI, but it's not effective at killing as a combo due to required skills.  Plus Gfist does well with Snap and the requirements for that are pretty hefty.  Plus Gfist builds, to be even worthwhile, really need to focus on Gfist damage, so as high an INT and STR as you can get without stunting yourself, and allowing decent VIT for a little survival, and potentially reasonable DEX (50 total +10 bless).

 

Wow...that's an interesting f-up.  Pneuma is really a Sphere Throw or Gfist build needed skill.  It's not that necessary in Combo, but some do opt for it (and get about 5 AGI Up).  Still...yeah, you can definitely work that in with those extra 2 points from Cadence instead into your unfinished pre-requisite acolyte skill.

Edited by Ignasia, 22 August 2017 - 09:15 AM.

[Kamona]

Thanks a lot ! I am so really happy and thankful and glad you answered !

 

I knew for snap requirement, only worth as a champion... which will definitely be a Gfist one.
But we still have a lot of time before it's released !

 

I think I am too used to old school mechanics, and pneuma was kind of a must have in many situations.
But sure, now it seems a bit... not as much useful, athough in some situations it's a life saver and allows to explore more places.

I now know where i'm leading, thanks !

I have way more than enough agi now, will go for str/vit and a bit of dex.
I am however slightly... disappointed by how str works now, since it only gives a bit of atk for many status points at higher level.
But I don't have much else to invest into and damages are always nice.

Thanks again and may you have a nice day !

[Pixelakaroxi]

A monk without pneuma is not a monk.


And sure, always get gfist, it is a great skill. 70 agi is more than enough on a combo boxer.