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[NamzaKaren]

I'm from idRO. i finally made a GC sader, she's currently lvl 94. i made her just because I can use my knight gears with her. i'll be doing pvp and woe with her whenever I feel like not playing my knight.

 

note: i know you don't have Crusader yet in re:start. But I don't know anyone who plays GC sader in idRO. and most people i know didn't play renewal or have only played private server. I believe you guys have better insight regarding crusader and grand cross.

 

Current stat

20 str

9 agi

80 vit

20 int

9 dex

1 luk

 

578 points left

 

Current skill

faith 10

holy cros 6

grand cross 10

 

23 points left.

 

what other skills do you think i should get?

 

I'm thinking of either getting

10 shield reflect (2 poins left)

or

7 shield reflect, 5 defending aura (0 points left).

 

Do you think it's wise to get some agi. I want to use Smite and bash occasionally. I also won't be riding a peco.

Edited by NamzaKaren, 27 August 2017 - 09:34 AM.

[Ashuckel]

defending aura is too usefull to not get it

[NamzaKaren]

defending aura is too usefull to not get it

I think that too. But then I can't max Shield Reflect. Do you think it's necessary to have max SR or level 7 is enough?

 

I will also be using alot of Smite/Shield Boomerang (both level 3) to inflict status. How much agi/aspd do you think is good enough without sacrificing too much dmg stat?

Edited by NamzaKaren, 27 August 2017 - 09:44 AM.

[3565150713142656837]

I'm currently working on a Crusader based on going GC and Devotion. What I will tell you is stuff, I've either personally seen or heard via forums, etc.

 

I am not going to lie. You kind of screwed yourself a bit. You lost points that could have gone elsewhere by putting anything into Agi. Crusaders don't need Agi at all...same with Luk (which fortunately you didn't put anything into). [if you are desperate for attack speed, potions or buffs are your best bet]

 

You need more Dex, Str and Int...your Vit is ok, though it could be higher.

 

Dex should be ballpark low 20s, not exceeding 25.

 

Str should be 40-50. and Int needs to be 80-90. (reason I suggest this is what I've seen is that GC needs both of these to be really useful

 

My current goal for stats (which should be similar to your end goal as well) is; Str 45, Agi 1, Vit 89, Int 90, Dex 23, Luk 1.

 

With the skillpoints you have left you could viably get Riding and still have enough left over for a decent spread into skills.

 

Riding - 1

Guard - 5

Smite (Shield Charge) -3

Shield Boomerang -3

Shield Reflect - 5

Defending Aura (Defender) -3

 

you will have 3 skill points left over to allocate as you see fit

 

Edited by 3565150713142656837, 27 August 2017 - 05:02 PM.

[NamzaKaren]

I'm currently working on a Crusader based on going GC and Devotion. What I will tell you is stuff, I've either personally seen or heard via forums, etc.

 

I am not going to lie. You kind of screwed yourself a bit. You lost points that could have gone elsewhere by putting anything into Agi. Crusaders don't need Agi at all...same with Luk (which fortunately you didn't put anything into). [if you are desperate for attack speed, potions or buffs are your best bet]

 

You need more Dex, Str and Int...your Vit is ok, though it could be higher.

 

Dex should be ballpark low 20s, not exceeding 25.

 

Str should be 40-50. and Int needs to be 80-90. (reason I suggest this is what I've seen is that GC needs both of these to be really useful

 

My current goal for stats (which should be similar to your end goal as well) is; Str 45, Agi 1, Vit 89, Int 90, Dex 23, Luk 1.

 

With the skillpoints you have left you could viably get Riding and still have enough left over for a decent spread into skills.

 

Riding - 1

Guard - 5

Smite (Shield Charge) -3

Shield Boomerang -3

Shield Reflect - 5

Defending Aura (Defender) -3

 

you will have 3 skill points left over to allocate as you see fit

 

I just upped my stat and skills.

 

my final build (with +10 food for each stat. you don't lose the buff after death in idRO)

str 81+17

agi 12+13

vit 83+17

int 46+16

dex 39+14

luk 21+15

 

As you said, I shouldn't have put points to agi. I thought I could bash enemies occasionally, that is not the case.

 

Skills

gc 10

shield reflect 7

defending aura 5

and prereqs

 

I don't have peco ride and sacrifice yet. They'll sell neuralizer (account bound) starting tomorrow for 1 week, I will buy some for my sader and future use,

 

My skills after reset

GC 10

peco ride 1

Shield reflect 5

defending aura 5

 

1 points left for Sacrifice or something else. I feel like Sacrifice lvl 1 has too short duration, but I guess it's better than nothing

 

I also did my own test. At least in idRO GC damage is based on atk and matk and is reduced by def and mdef respectively. The atk part is also increased by %dmg card like Hydra and Skel Worker.

Edited by NamzaKaren, 27 August 2017 - 09:06 PM.

[3565150713142656837]

At this point, you have 2 viable options.

 

You can switch from going with a GC Crusader to a Hybrid Crusader. (I can give you a build I used ages ago on classic)

 

or

 

You can move all the gear from your Crusader over to a spare character, and start fresh. (i'll explain this first).

 

The reason I suggest starting fresh, is as you say, GC uses Atk and Matk for damage, relying more on Int than Str. (rough example I saw was, GC w 50Str and 90Int does more than 90 Str and 50 Int GC). And unfortunately, by putting points into Agi and Luk you pretty much shot your GC damage in the face...also going well above the Dex and Str I suggested hurt you as well.

 

Your current stats are too spread out for a proper GC/Sacrifice Crusader. So you could alternatively, go into a Hybrid Crusader. You won't have HC or GC...but you will be more self reliant.

 

Skill List (Includes Swordsman skills as well);

 

Sword Mastery 10

Bash 10

Magnum Break 10

Increased HP Recovery 10

Provoke 5

Endure 4

 

Faith 10

Divine Protection 3

Demon Bane 5

Heal 10

Cure 1

Riding 1

Auto Guard 5 

Smite 3

Shield Boomerang 3

Reflect Shield 5

3 points remain to allocate as you see fit.

 

Option 2 is a tad more friendly towards the time you put in.

 

But if you want to be a GC/Sacrifice Crusader; starting fresh and using a stat build similar to mine would be a better option.

 

Your stat priority for a GC/Sacrifice Crusader should be; Vit, Int, Str, Dex, Agi, Luk.

 

Vit and Int need to be 80 each at a minimum.

 

Str should be middle ground 40-50 (do not exceed 50)

 

Dex should be 20-30 )do not exceed 30)

 

Agi and Luk should remain at 1 each

 

 

 

 

 

Edited by 3565150713142656837, 28 August 2017 - 04:16 AM.

[NamzaKaren]

I use irowiki to find the most cost effective stat.

 

(Correct me if i'm wrong)

1 str = 2.75 atk (2 from status atk and 0.75 from str bonus if using Flamberge)

1 int = 1.5 matk

3 luk =  2 atk and 1 matk

 

taking into account 2xhydra card and people reduction (40% racial, 30% def, 10% mdef), those are the stat I come up with.

 

But maybe you're right, maybe GC matk part modifier is higher than atk part. Have you tried using GC in Chaos renewal? They have the same formula as Odin, right? I never use GC in classic or renewal. In fact, I never really played crusader before. Now my GC deals 6k per hit vs skel prisoner, and 1.5k vs people. My friend actually has a lvl 90 GC sader with 1 str, 90 int, I'll compare my damage with him later. As for dex it's supposed to be 30, it just happen 39 dex leave me with 0 points, other combinations i tried leave some points unused.

 

Anyway, I made this char just because I want to try it. She's not my main, I have many other chars. I leveled her during exp event, it only took me 6 hours to level her from 1-94. I've actually stopped leveling her for now. Planning to make a Throw Spirit Sphere or Occult Impaction Monk next.

Edited by NamzaKaren, 28 August 2017 - 08:11 AM.

[NamzaKaren]

Just did another test comparing (+7) str and int food.

 

My stat (no equip)

atk 109 + 0

def 94 + 0

mdef 101 + 0

 

Self-damage

without food = 241

with +7 Str food = 258

with +7 Int food = 242

 

vs Poring

without food = 787

with +7 str food = 822

with +7 int food = 812

 

In conclusion, at least in idRO, str gives more damage per point than int.

Edited by NamzaKaren, 28 August 2017 - 08:40 AM.

[roflcopter123456]

did they change damage formula of gc or why less int?

[3565150713142656837]

I found a battle sim. I will do a side by side comparison of your stats, vs mine.

 

My Stats, Unarmed Using lvl 10 GC against Poring.

 

 

Hit Ratio 100% Dodge Ratio 95% HP Casting Cost 2821 Reflect Damage 106�~3hit ~ 241�~3hit Cast Time 2.48sec Delay (Fixed Type) 1.5s Minimum Damage 5004(1668X3hit) Average Damage 6366(2122X3hit) Maximum Damage 7728(2576X3hit) Damage Per Second 1599.5 Minimum Number of Hits 1 Average Number of Hits 1 Maximum Number of Hits 1 Average Battle Durration 3.98s Base Exp Per Hit 2Exp Job Exp Per Hit 1Exp Average Damage Recieved 1 (1 ~ 1) Average Damage Recieved (w/dodge) 0.05Damage

 

 

Now for your stats.

 

 

Hit Ratio 100% Dodge Ratio 95% HP Casting Cost 2747 Reflect Damage 83�~3hit ~ 129�~3hit Cast Time 2.16sec Delay (Fixed Type) 1.5s Minimum Damage 3897(1299X3hit) Average Damage 4254(1418X3hit) Maximum Damage 4611(1537X3hit) Damage Per Second 1162.3 Minimum Number of Hits 1 Average Number of Hits 1 Maximum Number of Hits 1 Average Battle Durration 3.66s Base Exp Per Hit 2Exp Job Exp Per Hit 1Exp Average Damage Recieved 1 (1 ~ 1) Average Damage Recieved (w/dodge) 0.05Damage

 

Now unfortunately the sim won't let me factor in stuff like buffs from outside sources, so this is a bare bones comparison. Both characters at lvl 99/50 with their maxed stats allocated according to each of us.

 

Now while around 400 points of damage may not seem like much, in RO that can often mean the difference between life and death.

[NamzaKaren]

Is that from calc.irowiki.org?

 

I did my own test in game. And i turned out every point of str gives more dmg to GC than int. Maybe idRO use a different formula than iRO? The only way to know for sure is to wait for Crusader to be implemented in Odin.

 

Anyway, thanks for sharing your insight regarding GC sader . I won't be changing my stat (I can't), but i'll follow your skill build.

Edited by NamzaKaren, 28 August 2017 - 09:55 AM.

[3565150713142656837]

well good luck to you

[RistrettoJoe]

Btw, Holy cross on Revo Classic has x2 damage with two handed spears. It's pretty strong actually, I saw gameplay videos of Holy Cross StrVitAgiDex Crusader's from thai RO solo leveling at geffenia

[3565150713142656837]

Btw, Holy cross on Revo Classic has x2 damage with two handed spears. It's pretty strong actually, I saw gameplay videos of Holy Cross StrVitAgiDex Crusader's from thai RO solo leveling at geffenia

given that the poster spoke above using shield skills, this info...while interesting...is useless

[NamzaKaren]

I've noticed sometimes my GC hit 5 times. Is there any way to always do that?

[3565150713142656837]

that might be a glitch, as far as I know GC is only supposed to hit 3 times.

 

either that or they changed the amount of hits GC does and no one bothered to update the info on the skill anywhere