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#1 Veterarmo

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Posted 06 September 2017 - 01:06 PM

Hello people, i want to make a Crussader/Paladin, but i never played with one (in a low/middle server) before but i want to try.

I do Solo most the time, and looking for party when im bored

First of all, what build do you recommend? why? which one is cheapest or the most expensive? and again why?

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#2 3565150713142656837

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Posted 06 September 2017 - 03:38 PM

First and foremost. Crusaders don't exist yet on Restart so you have some time to kill.

 

Second, I am going to link you a site that has a variety of Crusader builds (decked out with stat recommendations, skill set up) though none of them key into gear (and cards).

 

http://irowiki.org/wiki/Crusader

 

Now from what I have heard, the most desired Crusader is a hybrid build making use of Sacrifice and Grand Cross.

 

 

 


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Posted 13 September 2017 - 09:28 AM

Hello people, i want to make a Crussader/Paladin, but i never played with one (in a low/middle server) before but i want to try.

I do Solo most the time, and looking for party when im bored

First of all, what build do you recommend? why? which one is cheapest or the most expensive? and again why?

  • GC
  • Shield
  • FS

:thx:  for read :exlamation:

Hey ya. I play in idRO server and we already have crusader. There's also another build which is Holy Cross build. In renewal Holy Cross deals double damage if used with 2hand spear. I recommend either Holy Cross or Full Support build. The other two builds are not very good imo. Shield Boomerang deals very low damage, even with crusader spirit it still loses to Holy Cross, the only good thing about it is being a ranged skill. I have a level 97 GC Crusader, and I think GC is a failed skill mostly because of the 20% max hp cost, it's not worth the damage it does.

 

Pure holy cross build

high str/vit, medium agi/dex.

 

Holy Cross/agi crit build

High str/agi. medium vit/luk/dex. Level 10 Spear quicken gives 30 crit, making Crusader able to have 100+ crit with the right setup.

 

My level 97 Pure HC Crusader video. I didn't have Aspersio, I could've dealt more damage. Holy Cross is already holy element lol.


Edited by NamzaKaren, 14 September 2017 - 09:42 AM.

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Posted 13 September 2017 - 10:25 AM

Wait, Holy Cross counts the Holy check twice?  Once for weapon/equip/mastery attack (Aspersio), and once for the skill?


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Posted 13 September 2017 - 10:29 AM

Wait, Holy Cross counts the Holy check twice?  Once for weapon/equip/mastery attack (Aspersio), and once for the skill?

I'm not sure. Maybe? In my previous post, I actually forgot that Holy Cross is already holy element. So that's why I deal higher damage to Anubis than Pasana even though they're both demihuman. I feel so stupid lol. That's what you get for leeching your way from 1-99 all the time. That actually was my first time using him outside PvP/WoE.


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Posted 13 September 2017 - 10:38 AM

Wait, Holy Cross counts the Holy check twice?  Once for weapon/equip/mastery attack (Aspersio), and once for the skill?

I'm not 100% sure. 

 

The wording on Aspersio is paradoxical at best.


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Posted 13 September 2017 - 10:46 AM

I'm not 100% sure. 

 

The wording on Aspersio is paradoxical at best.

 

If I have some time later today to play, I'll check in Renewal.  I'm not positive if my RG has Holy Cross or not, or my sader does, but I might as well give it a check just in case.  Quite a few things have changed.

 

Shield Chain, for example, deals about 2/3rds the damage it did a year and a half ago.  So it's certainly worth a check, especially given GC's physical seems to count it twice.  Hmm, if it works out, would be worth checking into Crimson weapons as well, or maybe if Mild Wind affects Holy Cross output.


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Posted 13 September 2017 - 02:36 PM

GC is not a failed skill, however it is a bit of a different build to most high VIT crusaders. A GC crusader should have around 40 base VIT, not 80+ like a standard crusader, there are two reasons for this, first GC does damage in two parts to the caster, first it does a % of the casters max HP, then it does part of the actual damage. the % will be much higher with high VIT, but the second part is resisted with the crusaders skill faith. High VIT also takes away from your overall damage output, this leads to a higher number of casts needed to take out a given mob, which means you will be taking far more damage (mob damage AND GC % damage) than a lower VIT build that has more emphasis on cast power and speed. I have not used a GC crusader in renewal but the best I can tell is that stats are a bit different, mostly in that LUK is now necessary. I used to make millions of zenny with my GC crusader hunting in GH chiv, and look forward to playing another when they are released. Personally after reviewing the new stat features with renewal I plan a GC crusader base stats to look like this:

STR 63

AGI 1

INT 92

DEX 49

VIT 44

LUK 31

 

the only thing I can think of that might make this not work well is what DEX will really do for the cast time with the renewal mechanics. but LUK raises both ATK and MATK and adds Pdodge and resistance to some status effects. GC uses both ATK and MATK to deal its damage, but your weapons damage will be factored much more than your STR damage, basically GC uses your INT more than your STR but uses your weapons damage for a good boost. GC doesn't take too much to get started either and you can solo farm your way into better gear.

 

I have also played a battle crusader soloing High Orcs like a fool! it was a seriously slow grind and I had good equips for it, but I did not get sacrifice and stayed as a shield sader, if I was to do another battle type I would go with an AGI spear build. but I have no idea on those ;)

 

And I have played a support/battle Paladin. They are great fun but really require a party and good equips to be successful. as for stats on a support type crusader I believe you want to focus on VIT and DEX. but I have not looked into a real build for a renewal type sacrifice crusader yet.

 

A sacrifice crusader is a wizards best friend!


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Posted 05 November 2017 - 03:06 PM

GC is not a failed skill, however it is a bit of a different build to most high VIT crusaders. A GC crusader should have around 40 base VIT, not 80+ like a standard crusader, there are two reasons for this, first GC does damage in two parts to the caster, first it does a % of the casters max HP, then it does part of the actual damage. the % will be much higher with high VIT, but the second part is resisted with the crusaders skill faith. High VIT also takes away from your overall damage output, this leads to a higher number of casts needed to take out a given mob, which means you will be taking far more damage (mob damage AND GC % damage) than a lower VIT build that has more emphasis on cast power and speed. I have not used a GC crusader in renewal but the best I can tell is that stats are a bit different, mostly in that LUK is now necessary. I used to make millions of zenny with my GC crusader hunting in GH chiv, and look forward to playing another when they are released. Personally after reviewing the new stat features with renewal I plan a GC crusader base stats to look like this:

STR 63

AGI 1

INT 92

DEX 49

VIT 44

LUK 31

 

the only thing I can think of that might make this not work well is what DEX will really do for the cast time with the renewal mechanics. but LUK raises both ATK and MATK and adds Pdodge and resistance to some status effects. GC uses both ATK and MATK to deal its damage, but your weapons damage will be factored much more than your STR damage, basically GC uses your INT more than your STR but uses your weapons damage for a good boost. GC doesn't take too much to get started either and you can solo farm your way into better gear.

 

I have also played a battle crusader soloing High Orcs like a fool! it was a seriously slow grind and I had good equips for it, but I did not get sacrifice and stayed as a shield sader, if I was to do another battle type I would go with an AGI spear build. but I have no idea on those ;)

 

And I have played a support/battle Paladin. They are great fun but really require a party and good equips to be successful. as for stats on a support type crusader I believe you want to focus on VIT and DEX. but I have not looked into a real build for a renewal type sacrifice crusader yet.

 

A sacrifice crusader is a wizards best friend!

your right about not having to much vit. but 44 vit will be a bit low. you still have to mob properly.


Edited by Artegas, 05 November 2017 - 03:07 PM.

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Posted 05 November 2017 - 03:16 PM

GC is not a failed skill, however it is a bit of a different build to most high VIT crusaders. A GC crusader should have around 40 base VIT, not 80+ like a standard crusader, there are two reasons for this, first GC does damage in two parts to the caster, first it does a % of the casters max HP, then it does part of the actual damage. the % will be much higher with high VIT, but the second part is resisted with the crusaders skill faith. High VIT also takes away from your overall damage output, this leads to a higher number of casts needed to take out a given mob, which means you will be taking far more damage (mob damage AND GC % damage) than a lower VIT build that has more emphasis on cast power and speed. I have not used a GC crusader in renewal but the best I can tell is that stats are a bit different, mostly in that LUK is now necessary. I used to make millions of zenny with my GC crusader hunting in GH chiv, and look forward to playing another when they are released. Personally after reviewing the new stat features with renewal I plan a GC crusader base stats to look like this:
STR 63
AGI 1
INT 92
DEX 49
VIT 44
LUK 31

the only thing I can think of that might make this not work well is what DEX will really do for the cast time with the renewal mechanics. but LUK raises both ATK and MATK and adds Pdodge and resistance to some status effects. GC uses both ATK and MATK to deal its damage, but your weapons damage will be factored much more than your STR damage, basically GC uses your INT more than your STR but uses your weapons damage for a good boost. GC doesn't take too much to get started either and you can solo farm your way into better gear.

I have also played a battle crusader soloing High Orcs like a fool! it was a seriously slow grind and I had good equips for it, but I did not get sacrifice and stayed as a shield sader, if I was to do another battle type I would go with an AGI spear build. but I have no idea on those ;)

And I have played a support/battle Paladin. They are great fun but really require a party and good equips to be successful. as for stats on a support type crusader I believe you want to focus on VIT and DEX. but I have not looked into a real build for a renewal type sacrifice crusader yet.

A sacrifice crusader is a wizards best friend!


while this may have worked for GC on pre renewal, thats not how you do it with renewal settings :)
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Posted 05 November 2017 - 03:17 PM

A str/agi/vit build along with the Morrigane Set and Crescent Scythe (with Spear Quicken almost 100% crit) is the best to level and PVM with a Crusader, however the Morrigane Set isn't available on Re:Start yet.


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Posted 07 November 2017 - 07:40 PM

Who needs Crit when you have Holy Cross/Grand Cross lol.
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