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[SaintMulla1]

any samples for solo pure dmg mvp monks and also is true that g fist cast time fixed so dex dont really matter? to much now ?

[Quoc]

Even if it is, true MvP monks never really got Dex. It was always pure STR/INT with Flywing/Bwing+Warp Portal/Party tanker G-fist.

[DFreak423]

If it's fixed, you wont need dex, and if it's not fixed(fixed casting times have been removed in restart) int also reduces cast time in renewal so with 80 base int and 1 base dex + bless you should get down to 0.8-1 sec cast time which is typically fast enough and could get down to 0.5-0.7 secs with stat food.

[hungrymuch]

You guys seem to have a misunderstanding about fixed skills. Fixed cast time doesn't mean unchangeable cast time. It just means it's set up that no matter how much cast reduction you have there will be that minor mandatory cast time which is usually rather small like half a second. Basically it prevents you from instant casting Asura strike but it doesn't mean it will stop you from casting it very fast. I think the fixed cast time is like 0.4 seconds while not having any dex would make it like a 2.0 + second cast.

[DFreak423]

You guys seem to have a misunderstanding about fixed skills. Fixed cast time doesn't mean unchangeable cast time. It just means it's set up that no matter how much cast reduction you have there will be that minor mandatory cast time which is usually rather small like half a second. Basically it prevents you from instant casting Asura strike but it doesn't mean it will stop you from casting it very fast. I think the fixed cast time is like 0.4 seconds while not having any dex would make it like a 2.0 + second cast.

 

Some skills have flat fixed casting times, like Acid Bomb has a 1 second cast time and the full 1 second is fixed. But in Restart fixed casting times are removed, so instant cast would be possible if you could get your dex/int high enough, but you can't at this point.

[hungrymuch]

Some skills have flat fixed casting times, like Acid Bomb has a 1 second cast time and the full 1 second is fixed. But in Restart fixed casting times are removed, so instant cast would be possible if you could get your dex/int high enough, but you can't at this point.

 

That's because that skill is some OP ass -_-, there's not many skilsl at all like this if any. And yes i was also recently informed that there's no fix cast time on Odin so dex investment is always a smart idea. 

[Wolfen]

That's because that skill is some OP ass , there's not many skilsl at all like this if any. And yes i was also recently informed that there's no fix cast time on Odin so dex investment is always a smart idea.

If dex and int works like renewal (expected, every int & dex should reduce cast time by 0.2% & 0.4% each point) we have to waith to see what is the base cast time and work from there the optimal cast time to prevent cast cancel issues.

[DFreak423]

The casting time reductions seen from int/dex is sort of front loaded, each point has less effect than the last. With Dex*2 + Int = 530 for 100% reduction, but you only need around 120 for 50% reduction. The result is now many wiz builds don't bother going over 50-70 dex with 90ish base int and some investment in a lot of vit for stun resist or agi for delay reduction once Bard drops.

 

It also appears that the removal of fixed casting in restart is even better than it may seem. I'm fairly certain that the fixed portion has been straight cut out, not made variable, so a skill that had a 2 second  total cast time with 0.4 sec being fixed, actually starts at 1.6 secs now.

Edited by DFreak423, 13 September 2017 - 04:10 PM.

[Kelanio]

So, any sample stats? 

 

Pure MVP monk from what I've read it's basically STR 80/INT 80-90/DEX (dont know)/ rest into vit? 

[Quoc]

If you're a solo monk which I don't recommend, then DEX and VIT can be helpful depending on the MvP and your survival. However if you're running a 2~3 man team, I suggest 3 man then DEX and VIT may not be so useful.

 

The general 3-man team I ran was a priest, a bard, and the monk. The bard strings, the priest tank/heal/res, the monk G-Fist. Truth is, you will probably not become a solo MvPer to any late game MvP so plan accordingly. I would say max strength is a must since G-Fist has such a huge multiplier but I haven't made a monk class since pre-renewal.

[SaintMulla1]

If you're a solo monk which I don't recommend, then DEX and VIT can be helpful depending on the MvP and your survival. However if you're running a 2~3 man team, I suggest 3 man then DEX and VIT may not be so useful.

 

The general 3-man team I ran was a priest, a bard, and the monk. The bard strings, the priest tank/heal/res, the monk G-Fist. Truth is, you will probably not become a solo MvPer to any late game MvP so plan accordingly. I would say max strength is a must since G-Fist has such a huge multiplier but I haven't made a monk class since pre-renewau

lmao cant solo mvp? so what happen to g fist suicide token and and fly wing ?

Edited by SaintMulla1, 18 September 2017 - 05:48 PM.

[Quoc]

lmao cant solo mvp? so what happen to g fist suicide token and and fly wing ?

 

The only thing I got from this post is that you have reading comprehension problems.

Here I'll make you feel silly about yourself and question your capability in reading and understanding. Quote the part where I said "monks can't solo MvP" or any variations that means exactly the same thing.

Edited by Quoc, 18 September 2017 - 11:40 PM.

[SaintMulla1]

The only thing I got from this post is that you have reading comprehension problems.

Here I'll make you feel silly about yourself and question your capability in reading and understanding. Quote the part where I said "monks can't solo MvP" or any variations that means exactly the same thing.

( Truth is, you will probably not become a solo MvPer to any late game MvP )<<<<< well i might have a reading comprehention problem or whatever dont really care  but i do use logic Monk can 100 percent solo mvps and what late game mvps are u talking about like when tans job comes out ?

[Quoc]

( Truth is, you will probably not become a solo MvPer to any late game MvP )<<<<< well i might have a reading comprehention problem or whatever dont really care  but i do use logic Monk can 100 percent solo mvps and what late game mvps are u talking about like when tans job comes out ?

 

The fact that you quoted that out already shows the reading comprehension part. You still don't understand what you're reading and what you were being asked in the previous post.

 

I'll let you do what you do, not gonna have any part of what your underlying problems may be. I'll leave you with this though, I'll name at least one MvP, Baphomet. Guess what? There's more.

Edited by Quoc, 19 September 2017 - 02:29 AM.

[SaintMulla1]

The fact that you quoted that out already shows the reading comprehension part. You still don't understand what you're reading and what you were being asked in the previous post.

 

I'll let you do what you do, not gonna have any part of what your underlying problems may be. I'll leave you with this though, I'll name at least one MvP, Baphomet. Guess what? There's more.

unless bapho can one shot monks with alice card before it can even cast g first then yeah your probably right