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#1 ellenic

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Posted 26 September 2017 - 06:22 AM

Which one is better?

Please tell me in calculation if possible..


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Posted 26 September 2017 - 06:57 AM

You should be able to find out just by reading the description of the two headgears.

 

Nevertheless

 

+8 Old Midas with no enchants is already better than Cylinder dmg wise.

 


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Posted 26 September 2017 - 07:11 AM

better in terms of damage or by convenience? cylinder hairband has no cast in terms of cart cannon but has lower damage compared to old midas whisper which has better cart cannon damage but has cast time. if you can enchant Magic Essence 5 on over-uped old midas whisper and wear temporal dex (120 dex), you can get no cast (or 0.2 sec?) acid bomb/cart cannon (the dream). 


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Posted 26 September 2017 - 07:33 AM

At lv 170+(Old Midas Whisper lvl req) the player should already realistically have stats to get rid of cart cannon cast naturally. Cylinder is still very nice at lower lvls for that part.
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Posted 26 September 2017 - 08:01 AM

no cast ab:

 

items for sakray testing:

 

+14 midas (ME 5) of reload

bdm of reload

2 expert rings

temporal dex boots

 

stats: on vid

 


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Posted 26 September 2017 - 08:04 AM

If you wanna mess with instant cast Acid Bomb, you should invest into aspd to increase your spam.


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Posted 26 September 2017 - 08:18 AM

The video I made is only for testing purposes, making sure that fct works correctly.
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Posted 26 September 2017 - 02:45 PM

If you wanna mess with instant cast Acid Bomb, you should invest into aspd to increase your spam.

 

How much aspd is recommended then?


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Posted 26 September 2017 - 03:05 PM

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Posted 26 September 2017 - 03:31 PM

2x sapphire, dex enchant flattery and temp dex boot can already makes you very near to instant cast. It is not really difficult to make instant cast with old midas. Not to mention at +12 the old midas will far superior to CHB. But of course it costs money, like quite a lot. And effort.

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Posted 26 September 2017 - 03:36 PM

 

2x sapphire, dex enchant flattery and temp dex boot can already makes you very near to instant cast. It is not really difficult to make instant cast with old midas. Not to mention at +12 the old midas will far superior to CHB. But of course it costs money, like quite a lot. And effort.

 

 

But hey? Gives the user something to aspire for and doesn't include any MVP cards so :U


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Posted 26 September 2017 - 10:38 PM

1. Cylinder is 600% Skill dmg and instacast, which translate to somewhere between 58-62% Overall CC DMG

2. Old Midas Whisper is 15% per 2x refine, so you only need +8 for 60% overall CC DMG Increase, don't forget there's 4% Range AND ATK + 32  as well.

 

Even before throwing the enchant you can already see that Old Midas is better in terms of dmg than a Cylinder Hairband.

 

From 99-169, use cylinder hairband

From 170, use Old Midas. 

 

And at 170, getting stats to instacast CC is relatively super easy since you have 120 dex and at least 100 int already. Just add from your eq and tada! Instacast.


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Posted 27 September 2017 - 12:47 AM

1. Cylinder is 600% Skill dmg and instacast, which translate to somewhere between 58-62% Overall CC DMG

2. Old Midas Whisper is 15% per 2x refine, so you only need +8 for 60% overall CC DMG Increase, don't forget there's 4% Range AND ATK + 32  as well.

 

Even before throwing the enchant you can already see that Old Midas is better in terms of dmg than a Cylinder Hairband.

 

From 99-169, use cylinder hairband

From 170, use Old Midas. 

 

And at 170, getting stats to instacast CC is relatively super easy since you have 120 dex and at least 100 int already. Just add from your eq and tada! Instacast.

 

Nonononononono, it WAS 600% prior to the update, now it multiplies by 60% at +7.


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Posted 27 September 2017 - 02:55 AM

Because if it still is 600%. Oh, Godhafmercyonus.
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Posted 27 September 2017 - 03:10 AM

But hey? Gives the user something to aspire for and doesn't include any MVP cards so :U

But I did not include any MVP there =X they are but standard 175 gene gears 

Speaking of which, I am still thinking how do I get the rest couple dex to be able to do insta cast without vip buffs. =/


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Posted 27 September 2017 - 03:18 AM

16.1 robes with Dex runes will give you up to 18 dex. Dexterous Shadow Armor can give more 3. Dex enchanted headgeat costumes, etc.
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Posted 27 September 2017 - 03:32 AM

am still working on it. Already get the costume version but lack of weapon for energy now. I think I will look on dexterous shadow set now before shadow refine event leaves. Thanks for the hint.


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Posted 27 September 2017 - 03:50 AM

Nonononononono, it WAS 600% prior to the update, now it multiplies by 60% at +7.

 

I'm talking skill base dmg not overall cc dmg? I thought they needed 600% skill dmg to make the final increase as 60% +/-

 

Or does the update make it increase the Final Cart Cannon dmg, not the initial skill dmg now?

 

Is this the update where they say they change the CC dmg, making cylinder dealing more dmg now?


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Posted 27 September 2017 - 04:04 AM

they fixed the formula so the headgear can apply a 60% multiplier. The bandaid fix on Cylinder was removed and now it offers a genuine +60% dmg, like any other skill boost%
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Posted 27 September 2017 - 04:31 AM

i give up, ~flips the table~ not bothering with reading descriptions anymore, items will do whatever they want from now on ¬¬'


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Posted 27 September 2017 - 07:31 AM

Per video, Cylinder outperforms OMW by 2K. Cylinder > OMW if both are under +9.
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Posted 27 September 2017 - 02:31 PM

the first video features a +7 old midas, so it's 15% cc damage behind. 

 

 


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Posted 27 September 2017 - 03:42 PM

they fixed the formula so the headgear can apply a 60% multiplier. The bandaid fix on Cylinder was removed and now it offers a genuine +60% dmg, like any other skill boost%

 

Ah thanks for the explanation.. so its a true 60% multiplier now, no longer skill dmg. Thanks Ash and Nirvana for clearing that up for me. I clearly have no idea.

 

Also, they should update the ingame description (Definitely something they forgotten), but I guess this might be forgotten too, like TGL aspd 1 instead of -20% cast delay.


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Posted 27 September 2017 - 04:31 PM

Ah thanks for the explanation.. so its a true 60% multiplier now, no longer skill dmg. Thanks Ash and Nirvana for clearing that up for me. I clearly have no idea.

 

Also, they should update the ingame description (Definitely something they forgotten), but I guess this might be forgotten too, like TGL aspd 1 instead of -20% cast delay.

 

TGL was fixed a while back.

 

And just submitted CHB for fix for this week.


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Posted 28 September 2017 - 02:58 AM

TGL was fixed a while back.

And just submitted CHB for fix for this week.


The Valkyrian manteau from OCP too. It says Kage/Obo,etc but it's not equipable or is the description already fixed?
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