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[Nirvanna21]

So I have been getting a lot of PMs in game about the value of Flattery Robes and the enchants they contain.

 

I just wanted to set a few things straight in here.

 

So let's compare.

 

I will use a Level 10 Cold Bolt as the example skill, which will deal a base damage of 8920.

 

+9 Sea Dragon Armor (Boss Only): 10720

Flattery Robe, No Enchants: 11170 4.1% more than SDA

+10 Flattery Robe, Int 1: 11830 10.3% more than SDA

+10 Flattery Robe, Int 1 / Int 1: 12540 16.9% more than SDA

+11 Flattery Robe, Int 1 / Int 2: 12820 19.5% more than SDA

+11 Flattery Robe, Int 2: 12100 12.8% more than SDA

+11 Flattery Robe, Int 2 / Int 2: 13090 22.1% more than SDA

+13 Flattery Robe, Int 3: 12510 16.6% more than SDA

+13 Flattery Robe, Int 3 / Int 3: 13890 29.5% more than SDA

 

I just wanted to clarify for all magic users that while the damage increase is good, it is not substantially better than what will be a 60m base price item eventually. And that the differences between mixed enchants is small (6% per dual levels, so 1/1 v 2/2 v 3/3), so don't fret too much if people try and pull a monopoly here.

Edited by Nirvanna21, 28 September 2017 - 06:24 PM.

[Ashuckel]

going for multiple elements magic armors for MVPs will be much cheaper with Sea Dragon Armor, period.
Flatteries have the advantage of being unniversal as far as enemy goes, but tend to get much more expensive,and not for the enchant, but the upgrade requirement.

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link for the lazy 

https://www.divine-p...-dragon-armor-1

[fuyukikun]

what's a sea dragon armor?

[Ashuckel]

ninja lis

[fuyukikun]

Next OCP stuff?

[Nirvanna21]

Next OCP stuff?

 

No idea, but it's been descriptionfied like other items have for a while. It will probably make an appearance soon enough along with other backlog items so :U

[fuyukikun]

So I have been getting a lot of PMs in game about the value of Flattery Robes and the enchants they contain.

I just wanted to set a few things straight in here.

So let's compare.

I will use a Level 10 Cold Bolt as the example skill, which will deal a base damage of 8920.

+9 Sea Dragon Armor (Boss Only): 10720
+10 Flattery Robe, Int 1 / Int 1: 12540 16.9% more than SDA
+11 Flattery Robe, Int 1 / Int 2: 12820 19.5% more than SDA
+11 Flattery Robe, Int 2 / Int 2: 13090 22.1% more than SDA
+13 Flattery Robe, Int 3 / Int 3: 13890 29.5% more than SDA

I just wanted to clarify for all magic users that while the damage increase is good, it is not substantially better than what will be a 60m base price item eventually. And that the differences between mixed enchants is small (6% per dual levels, so 1/1 v 2/2 v 3/3), so don't fret too much if people try and pull a monopoly here.

Hope you can provide insights also for
Flattery without int enchant
Flattery with only int1 enchant
Flattery with only int2 enchant
Flattery with only int3 enchant
To provide more comprehensive and choosing an alternative (perhaps people will aim for int3 and dex3, or things like that)

[Nirvanna21]

Hope you can provide insights also for
Flattery without int enchant
Flattery with only int1 enchant
Flattery with only int2 enchant
Flattery with only int3 enchant
To provide more comprehensive and choosing an alternative (perhaps people will aim for int3 and dex3, or things like that)

 

Sure why not :U

[Kusanagisama]

Looks like 16.1 robe prices are falling even more. That's nice...

[Nirvanna21]

Added the No Enchants/Single Enchants for comparison. A single INT3 is almost as much as an INT1/1.

 

Looks like 16.1 robe prices are falling even more. That's nice...

 

Hey, Robes are still best in slot, this post was purely because twice now while advertising for a INT1/1 Flattery Robe, I have had people tell me how wrong I am not to pay 900m+ for an Int2/2.

 

And when people do -_- like that, it makes me think, and thinking gives results.

Edited by Nirvanna21, 28 September 2017 - 06:26 PM.

[Kusanagisama]

There's no right or wrong on any decision to buy or not something at a given price, the same goes for selling. My problem is the same as if they decide to listen to that guy who suggested an NPC to convert Silvervine Fruits to Cursed Fragments... really sad. It's already sad how fast the market for these robes died...

[Nirvanna21]

There's no right or wrong on any decision to buy or not something at a given price, the same goes for selling. My problem is the same as if they decide to listen to that guy who suggested an NPC to convert Silvervine Fruits to Cursed Fragments... really sad. It's already sad how fast the market for these robes died...

 

I wouldn't say they died. 300m for a base robe is still a lot.

[fuyukikun]

Even unenchanted flattery still wins lol.
RIP sea dragon armor, you are dead even before introduced.

[Nirvanna21]

Even unenchanted flattery still wins lol.
RIP sea dragon armor, you are dead even before introduced.

 

Remember this is based on 320 additional MATK and NO weapon, as to give the most fairest representation of results.

 

Add in a weapon, and more MATK from other sources and the dragon would topple the flattery robe.

 

What then makes the flattery robe better is obviously catching up MATK% wise and also equalling it in addition to 18 INT and 150 base MATK.

 

Scenarios yo.

 

For example, say you get another 280 MATK from other sources (which is completely feasible with the gears available) and use a +12 TSOD as your weapon.

 

+9 Sea Dragon Armor: Average DMG 30955

Flattery Robe, No Enchants: Average DMG 29295 5.4% less than SDA

+13 Flattery Robe, Int 3 / Int 3: Average DMG 35995 16.2% more than SDA

Edited by Nirvanna21, 28 September 2017 - 07:26 PM.

[fuyukikun]

Ah, i wonder if you can make a table, the row is the armor variant. The column is the MATK threshold, like 500 matk, 750, 1000, 1250 and 1500.
There we can see what is the breakeven point damage of each variant in terms of the MATK.

[Nirvanna21]

Ah, i wonder if you can make a table, the row is the armor variant. The column is the MATK threshold, like 500 matk, 750, 1000, 1250 and 1500.
There we can see what is the breakeven point damage of each variant in terms of the MATK.

 

If I get some time, I could probably make something that feeds in information and returns a % damage increase.

[Kusanagisama]

I wouldn't say they died. 300m for a base robe is still a lot.

 

300 M/18.18 days = ~16.5M per ~35 mins of boringness. In this time you can do HTF twice on Warlocks (thrice or maybe 4 times on GXes) for maybe between 2 and 3 MCAs on average (per 2 runs) plus some eventual bonuses like the items and OCAs. And this is why I say it's dead. It's not literally dead only because the exp is pretty decent, and while it's not the best place to either level or make zeny, probably is close to the best place to combine doing both.

[Nirvanna21]

300 M/18.18 days = ~16.5M per ~35 mins of boringness. In this time you can do HTF twice on Warlocks (thrice or maybe 4 times on GXes) for maybe between 2 and 3 MCAs on average (per 2 runs) plus some eventual bonuses like the items and OCAs. And this is why I say it's dead. It's not literally dead only because the exp is pretty decent, and while it's not the best place to either level or make zeny, probably is close to the best place to combine doing both.

 

True, but still a BIS armour, so some people will probably eventually hoard the market, until then :U