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#1 Nirvanna21

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 01:54 PM

What is it good for?

 

This is best in slot for any Warlock that can achieve 90% MDEF bypass while wearing Celine's Ribbon. It's also best in slot for Auto Casting Sorcerer's when paired with Evil Spirit Glove, it gives so many little bonuses AND cast Recognized Spell, Earth Grave and Varetyr Spear at what appears to be at least a 2~3% chance.

 

It also serves as a really good WoE headgear, as it is only 2% shy of a  +12 Red Pom Band in terms of Demi-Human reduction, however it also gives you permanent sacra (which is okay, but nothing to write home about) and it gives All Stats + 1 per upgrade level of the item up to a maximum upgrade level of 10, so on average you can rock +9 All Stats which is amazing for instant variable casting.

 

Why is it at it's current price?

 

It's the rarest drop, if we were going by effectiveness, I would argue Fairy Leaf Powder and Clergy Nurse Cap would be the top contenders considering how much of an impact they have. Hell, even Hibram's Gloves are really powerful when combined with a properly enchanted RWC.

 

But the boss damage it gives is so high, why isn't it that powerful?

 

Boss damage is the same as regular damage, only it only takes effect on Boss monsters, this means if you already have 20~30% MATK % from other items, this will have really quick diminishing returns over what other items can offer. It is also why a persons ability to bypass MDEF is taken into consideration, because MDEF reduction is applied around the end of the formula whereas MATK % is around the middle, therefore it has more weight, and due to -_-ty MDEF values for most MVPs, it means that you need on average 90% reduction to see significant return from MDEF bypass, but the end results are worth it.

 

As Ashuckel explained, for Sorcs, they have a Bio5 headgear which improves Varetyr Spear by quite a lot, and it is a skill that is used frequently when combo'ing with Sorcerer spells. As for non-Pororoca combos, obviously if you own a High Wizard Card, this hat would be great, but otherwise you are forced to use a Level 3 Weapon, which means the like of Sunflower Boy (which is pretty amazing) would not be able to be used, and would also mean not using things such as Runaway Magic.

 

I hope this helps explain where this item is at.


Edited by Nirvanna21, 13 October 2017 - 01:56 PM.

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 02:07 PM

Make 2 pcs HW card owner (Jerbear) greater again  :heh:


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Posted 13 October 2017 - 02:41 PM

Usually you'd want:

1 for Soul Expansion/Chain Lightning (Elvira Card);

1 for Water Ball (Headless Mule Card).

 

After I just wasted ~1.5 B to make a couple Bio 5 hats and upgrade them to +10 (and enchant as well, but this was only in the 100M range, and I didn't get a decent enchant), and after I just sold my Celine's Ribbon of Telekinesis (with AD4, which was great for SE Spam with strings or a future Kiel).-_- Warp Portal...

 

It would be respectfull of them to make a list of jRO gears planned to come in future OCPs, but this game's transparecy is as crappy as it can get.


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Posted 13 October 2017 - 02:47 PM

Usually you'd want:

1 for Soul Expansion/Chain Lightning (Elvira Card);

1 for Water Ball (Headless Mule Card).

 

After I just wasted ~1.5 B to make a couple Bio 5 hats and upgrade them to +10 (and enchant as well, but this was only in the 100M range, and I didn't get a decent enchant), and after I just sold my Celine's Ribbon of Telekinesis (with AD4, which was great for SE Spam with strings or a future Kiel). -_- Warp Portal...

 

It would be respectfull of them to make a list of jRO gears planned to come in future OCPs, but this game's transparecy is as crappy as it can get.

 

Your SE hat will be better. You must have at least 25% MATK increase via SOMETHING right?


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Posted 13 October 2017 - 02:51 PM

Sorry, I just got it now. Thank you.

 

So, if I have, say, +30% MATK, with this combo it just goes to +80% against bosses? So, in this case, it's "just" a 38% boost, instead of 50%, which can be somewhat comparable to the 30% SE dmg from OMHS plust it's 12% MATK (disregarding Celine's Ribbon's flat MATK boost)? In other words, not worth if you have an OMSH?

 

Will still want one for Water Balling...


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Posted 13 October 2017 - 02:55 PM

Sorry, I just got it now. Thank you.

 

So, if I have, say, +30% MATK, with this combo it just goes to +80% against bosses? So, in this case, it's "just" a 38% boost, instead of 50%, which can be somewhat comparable to the 30% SE dmg from OMHS plust it's 12% MATK (disregarding Celine's Ribbon's flat MATK boost)? In other words, not worth if you have an OMSH?

 

If you are using SE, your Bio5 hat will absolutely top out. Around 20~25% MATK will easily match it, most likely beat it. Nevermind the fact that it can eventually be given enchants that increase MATK% again, and reduce flat fixed cast time.

 

Your Bio5 hat was not in vein.


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Posted 13 October 2017 - 03:49 PM

Make 2 pcs HW card owner (Jerbear) greater again  :heh:

 

I'm already behind on updating Mage gears! Trying my best to catch up, though.

 

Still trying to get a Sunflower Boy u_u

 

By the way Nirvanna, why the mention of High Wizard Card in relation to Celine's Brooch combo? As far as I've read, the combo is boss damage only, right? High Wizard does not completely bypass boss MDEF--only players & regular monsters.


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Posted 13 October 2017 - 03:57 PM

I'm already behind on updating Mage gears! Trying my best to catch up, though.

 

Still trying to get a Sunflower Boy u_u

 

By the way Nirvanna, why the mention of High Wizard Card in relation to Celine's Brooch combo? As far as I've read, the combo is boss damage only, right? High Wizard does not completely bypass boss MDEF--only players & regular monsters.

 

Oh really? I never knew that, figured it bypass'ed all, well -_-, it doesn't come into play then :U


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Posted 13 October 2017 - 04:01 PM

Yeah, it allows Vesper to still cover a niche.

 

Speaking of which, I really need mid gear desockets. >_>

 

So for high end gear, if you're looking to not use Pororoca Set, the best load out would be Celine Brooch + Magician's Glove + Vesper Card for most optimal damage freeing up your weapon slot. I imagine that's going to depend on how badly you need to bypass that MDEF, though.


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Posted 13 October 2017 - 04:16 PM

I wonder if % magic damage against boss modifier from Celine combo stacks additively or multiplicatively with % magic damage modifier likes Agav card or Robo eye.
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Posted 13 October 2017 - 04:38 PM

my opinion:

 

other than wanting to reach no cast with WL skills

 

this brooch is clearly a much more convenient way of getting a decent gears against current mvps

 

SE and WB, that's mostly what you will use anyways

 

 

 

 


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Posted 13 October 2017 - 04:45 PM

I wonder if % magic damage against boss modifier from Celine combo stacks additively or multiplicatively with % magic damage modifier likes Agav card or Robo eye.

Additive

Boss% is nothing more than ATK/MATK% that only activates against Boss protocol targets


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Posted 13 October 2017 - 04:56 PM

It also goes really nicely with autocasters.

https://youtu.be/ZgXzHYLNQE8

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Posted 13 October 2017 - 06:02 PM

Yeah, it allows Vesper to still cover a niche.

 

Speaking of which, I really need mid gear desockets. >_>

 

So for high end gear, if you're looking to not use Pororoca Set, the best load out would be Celine Brooch + Magician's Glove + Vesper Card for most optimal damage freeing up your weapon slot. I imagine that's going to depend on how badly you need to bypass that MDEF, though.

 

Nyeh, 90%+ MDEF reduction is what you need for it to be viable sadly.


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Posted 13 October 2017 - 06:09 PM

19% from Vicious Staff + 30% from Vesper + 50% from Magician's Glove = 99% MDEF Piercing towards Boss protocols.

 

At that point... I believe my +13 Old Hat with Magic Essence lv.5 will still be better than my +13 Celine combo IF using Soul Expansion.

 

For any other spell, I believe Celine combo will come out on top.

 

 


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Posted 13 October 2017 - 06:23 PM

19% from Vicious Staff + 30% from Vesper + 50% from Magician's Glove = 99% MDEF Piercing towards Boss protocols.

 

At that point... I believe my +13 Old Hat with Magic Essence lv.5 will still be better than my +13 Celine combo IF using Soul Expansion.

 

For any other spell, I believe Celine combo will come out on top.

 

Pretty much ^


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Posted 13 October 2017 - 06:58 PM

It also goes really nicely with autocasters.

https://youtu.be/ZgXzHYLNQE8

VS and EG damage is meh if used by non sorc


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Posted 13 October 2017 - 07:00 PM

VS and EG damage is meh if used by non sorc

 

You can get some really good damage from ESG+Celine Brooch now :U Recognized Spell is just the best.


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Posted 13 October 2017 - 07:22 PM

other class lose the bonus damage from endow tornado and endow quake


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Posted 13 October 2017 - 11:44 PM

but can still scale it through Int, reaching a very nice damage regardless of having those or not.
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Posted 14 October 2017 - 04:46 AM

So, what about Hibram's glove?


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Posted 14 October 2017 - 04:52 AM

said already. Its a tradeable perfect enchanted RWC
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Posted 14 October 2017 - 09:16 AM

With a Nightmare Vitata Card on it.
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Posted 14 October 2017 - 09:56 AM

Nightmare Vitata card make me chuckles, 3 times healing power of a normal vitata card :heh:


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Posted 23 October 2017 - 10:53 PM

The Celine Brooch status increase only works with one pair of Celine Brooch and Ribbon. If you wear 2 Celine Brooches, the second set of Status increase is not there on the Status Board. 

 

Are you sure you can get 80% Boss damage when you wear 2 Celine Brooch? Thanks. 


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