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[Bohem]

so nowt hat we have doram and various OP OCP items, i wonder if there is change in EFFICENCY in running daily quests and insrances..

 

here, i want to know what is top 3 (debatable, so based on individual's opinion) class when it comes to efficiency.

 

when i say efficiency, i mean;

 

1. Using minimal amount of pots, foods, and etc.

2. require none of god items / MVP cards / catastrophically expensive gears

3. decently fast in clearing 

 

 

I was once told the rank kinda goes;

 

physical doram -> ranger -> RK (but i think it needs MVP cards like kiel and tao)

 

 

so What do you guys think ?

[yamasakai90]

Daily quest and Instance.. Where's GX in your ranking? For me its definitely rank no 1 in terms of 

 

1,2 and 3.

[ChaoticRK]

GX is still the most efficient and Gene is behind just by a small fragment of that efficiency. Then came Doram, Ranger so on and so forth.....

Well maybe Mecha can be a good and effecient instance runner too. Especially the bio5 is here.

[Bohem]

GX doesnt need many pots and stuff?  gene is out of quesiton because of all those acid bottles hahha 

[carbinemortiser]

GX doesnt need many pots and stuff?  gene is out of quesiton because of all those acid bottles hahha 

 

Not really. Most Gene use CC mainly since Cylinder came out.

[Doomsquare]

GX > Gene for certain instances

[ChaoticRK]

Not really. Most Gene use CC mainly since Cylinder came out.

CC still uses balls and most instances are easier for GX than to Gene. Well, I said they are almost equal.

[Bohem]

poison bottles are cheap?

[Ashuckel]

for absolutely minimal gear investment and upkeep of the class, DB RK. you dont need crazy gear to complete stuff.

[fuyukikun]

Any immortal setup classes

[ChaoticRK]

poison bottles are cheap?

In thor, yes.

[MyNameIsTaken]

Lol ranger is 2nd in ur ranking, hahahaha. Also you didnt clear you want to run solo or with party, i guess its safe to assume you want to solo.

Edited by MyNameIsTaken, 16 October 2017 - 05:52 AM.

[Bohem]

for absolutely minimal gear investment and upkeep of the class, DB RK. you dont need crazy gear to complete stuff.

 

w0t ? really? how ? does he drink massive pots even with +9 malicious shadow set + EDA ? 

 

 

Lol ranger is 2nd in ur ranking, hahahaha. Also you didnt clear you want to run solo or with party, i guess its safe to assume you want to solo.

 

opsie sorry, as you assumed, I wanted to solo hahhah  i put ranger in 2nd ranking becuase I don't play ranger but heard good things about it =D

[MyNameIsTaken]

Also curious abt instance can a DB RK really do on minimum gears, a very few i cud think off but those can be done by most of the classes with similar gears.

[Zayaan]

GX is king except at ET.

 

Also curious abt instance can a DB RK really do on minimum gears, a very few i cud think off but those can be done by most of the classes with similar gears.

 

DB RKs are terrible at efficiently soloing instances with minimal gear. Unless your idea of minimal gear is +9~12 HWHB, NWSG, Medical Scrubs, +9 TGL, FLP, ACD Sarah Earring.

Edited by Zayaan, 16 October 2017 - 06:57 AM.

[kubikyuu]

opsie sorry, as you assumed, I wanted to solo hahhah  i put ranger in 2nd ranking becuase I don't play ranger but heard good things about it =D

 

Rangers are pretty overhyped.

They can do a lot of things, but GXes usually will have a way easier time (excluding ET).
 

With minimal gears for as many instances as possible it's imo:

GX >>>>> Genetic with PK Sera >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rest

Or maybe add in DB RK between that Gene and the GX if you also alt a Maestro for Strings cause stringed DB is crazy.

Also not exactely sure where to rank physical Doram.

 

Once you get closer to being decked out a lot more classes start to become good or even awesome.

As for enjoyment I like running stuff on WL. :u

Edited by kubikyuu, 16 October 2017 - 08:35 AM.

[awesomegeek]

GX is the fastest but I don't think it's the most efficient simply because Poison Bottles are expensive.

Most inexpensive for me would be DB RK and RG with HP&SP leech gears.

[kubikyuu]

GX is the fastest but I don't think it's the most efficient simply because Poison Bottles are expensive.

 

You can easily pay for Poison Bottles by greeding in Nogg2 for 5min. /dum

Doing instances also easily covers your whole Poison Bottle cost and still earns you more than enough.

You don't even have to EDP for everything: RC GX works amazingly well with leech gears.

 

DB RK however is just a pain (for me personally at least) without a certain ammount of delay reduce.

Hence why I said alted stringer if you want to go for true minimum gears on DB RK, but not everyone wants to alt a stringer.

[MyNameIsTaken]

GX is king except at ET.

 

 

DB RKs are terrible at efficiently soloing instances with minimal gear. Unless your idea of minimal gear is +9~12 HWHB, NWSG, Medical Scrubs, +9 TGL, FLP, ACD Sarah Earring.

Exactly idk why ash said DB RK

[Nirvanna21]

All except ET = GX
ET = Gene -> Ranger

[Richkr]

RKs right now can have up to 85% delay reduction with "minimal" gears, thanks ocp. Notice that Excellion set is not required anymore since it takes the same slots as Med Scrubs and Faw EA4/2/1. I run almost everything on rk with some exceptions where gx can outdamage even double kield tao rk. Unless Gravity really adds holy/shadow db :3. I rarely use gene.

Edited by Richkr, 16 October 2017 - 02:21 PM.

[Ashuckel]

DB RK is just really smooth to do most content in the game, even if elemental resistant. And what i took into consideration wasnt damage, clearspeed, or potential, just cost to gear and cost to run the instances. DB can run most of the game content with very little investment and literally 0 consumables if well played, this while being a very smooth playstyle.

[LordYggdrasill]

RKs right now can have up to 85% delay reduction with "minimal" gears, thanks ocp. Notice that Excellion set is not required anymore since it takes the same slots as Med Scrubs and Faw EA4/2/1. I run almost everything on rk with some exceptions where gx can outdamage even double kield tao rk. Unless Gravity really adds holy/shadow db :3. I rarely use gene.

How do you get up to 85% with so callled 'minimal' gears? As far as I know, it requires HWHB to be refined at +15, which isn't much easier than getting MVP card even with refine event active.

Also if you use Medical Scrub instead of Evil Dragon Armor while keeping HWHB, how do you get leech gears since DB drains SP quickly? Replace TGL by thanatos weapons?

Edited by LordYggdrasill, 16 October 2017 - 02:58 PM.

[Nirvanna21]

I got 75%, but that wasn't using cheap gears or even minimal ones.

 

If you used strings? Sure you could do way better but yeah :X

[Zayaan]

DB RK is just really smooth to do most content in the game, even if elemental resistant. And what i took into consideration wasnt damage, clearspeed, or potential, just cost to gear and cost to run the instances. DB can run most of the game content with very little investment and literally 0 consumables if well played, this while being a very smooth playstyle.

 

Maybe I'm just bad then. I definitely wouldn't be able to do majority of instances using 0 consumables on a low budget RK.

 

I got 75%, but that wasn't using cheap gears or even minimal ones.

 

If you used strings? Sure you could do way better but yeah :X

 

You missed ACD5 Sarah Earring.